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Just going back to the newspaper article- the term Esq.

"-an unofficial title of respect, having no precise significance, sometimes placed, especially in its abbreviated form, after a man's surname in formal written address."

It was just a term of respect that was often used when making formal announcements- we know from Charles and Keziah's marriage cert that William was a leather dresser.

Worms!, yes, thought it might, lol, not sure why St. Neots is mentioned, I got as far as AQ with findings above...

Chris :)

Edits (think things need 'sorting' from below perhaps!, you was looking at below couple)

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1323829


KathleenBell Report 7 Jan 2017 11:01

His parents married in 1817, not 1819:-

First name(s) Stephen
Last name Chambers
Residence otp
Marriage year 1817
Marriage date 02 Feb 1817
Marriage place Lambeth St Mary
By licence or banns By Banns
Spouse's first name(s) Mary
Spouse's last name Buglar
Spouse's residence otp
Source Parish Register Transcripts
County Surrey
Country England
Record set Surrey Marriages
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
Collections from Great Britain

(and)

England, Births & Baptisms 1538-1975 Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) William Stephen
Last name Chambers
Gender Male
Birth year 1819
Baptism year 1820
Baptism date 27 Feb 1820
Place Southwark
County London
Father's first name(s) Stephen
Father's last name Chambers
Mother's first name(s) Mary Ann

(Ancestry might have more on above, no time at present to check)


Edits Sylvia has posted details on other 'Thread')

Burial

Name: William Stephen Chambers
Record Type: Burial
Age: 52
Estimated birth year: abt 1820
Death Date: abt 1872
Burial Date: 9 Mar 1872
Abode: Bermondsey
Burial Place: Norwood Cemetery, Norwood Road, Lambeth, England
Parish or Poor Law Union: Norwood Cemetery, Norwood Road, Lambeth
Borough: Lambeth
Register Type: Bishop's Transcript
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1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
4, Crown Place, Bermondsey, London, England

William Chambers Head Married Male 40 1821 Leather Dealer Bermondsey, Surrey
Mary Chambers Wife Married Female 40 1821 Leather Dealer Bermondsey, Surrey,
William Chambers Son Married Male 11 1850 Leather Dealer Bermondsey, Surrey,
Dalia Chambers Daughter - Female 9 1852 Scholar Bermondsey, Surrey,
Char Chambers Son - Male 6 1855 Scholar Bermondsey, Surrey, England
Kate Chambers Daughter - Female 3 1858 - Bermondsey, Surrey, England
Emma Chambers Daughter - Female 1 1860 - Bermondsey, Surrey, England
Maria Chambers Daughter - Female 15 1846 Domestic Servant Bermondsey, Surrey
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1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Spa Road, St Mary Magdalene, St Olave Southwark, London, England (Civil Parish: St Mary Magdalen Bermondsey)

William Chambers Head - Male 51 1820 - Surrey, England
Mary Chambers Wife - Female 50 1821 - Surrey, England
Mary Chambers Daughter - Female 24 1847 - Surrey, England
Charles Chambers Son - Male 17 1854 - Surrey, England
Emma Chambers Daughter - Female 9 1862 - Surrey, England

Hi all, well this has opened a can of worms,Chris ho ref evening standard second son of the late William Stephen Chambers of Bermondsey and st. Neots Huntingdodshire,is this the right one ? If so , is this why wiiliam Stephen b.1819 and parents Stephen and Mary Amm chambers of bermondsey disappeared after Williams birth and can not be found until his marriage to Mary Hobbs? Also since when as an Esq been a leather worker? Thanks for all the info as it has opened a few more avenues kind regards Graham N.Z

(just saw below)

Chris :)

02 August 1879 - London Evening Standard - London, London, England

Marriage.
CHAMBERS - MORRIS
July 20 by special licence, at St. Jude's Church, Queen's park, W., by the Rev. Sydney Bott, Charles, second son of the late William Stephen Chambers, Esq., of Bermondsey and St. Neots, Huntingdonshire, to Kezia Hardy, eldest daughter of James Morris, Esq., of 32, Fourth ave. Queens Park, W.

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1364095

(Chambers/Hobbs Marriage reference 1842 above)

Chris :)


Susan Report 19 May 2010 04:16

Do you have this .

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about William Stephen Chambers
Name: William Stephen Chambers
Age: Full Age
Estimated birth year: abt 1842
Spouse Name: Mary Hobbs
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 23 Jan 1842
Parish: St Matthew, Brixton
County: Middlesex
Borough: Lambeth
Father Name: William Stepher Chambers
Spouse Father Name: Thomas Hobbs


Leather Dresser given as occupations of both William Stephens Chambers on Marriage 1842 posted on above.

Marriages Mar 1842 (>99%)
-------------------------------------------------------------
Chambers William Stephen Lambeth 4 177
HOBBS Mary Lambeth 4 177

Chris :)


Edits (just to add another version of that 1851 posted by Malyon on above, if family)

1851 (Find My Past)
William Chambers Head Married Male 31 1820 Leather Dresser Bermondsey, Surrey, England
Mary Chambers Wife - Female 30 1821 - Bermondsey, Surrey, England
William Chambers Son - Male 8 1843 - Bermondsey, Surrey, England
Mary Chambers Daughter - Female 5 1846 - Bermondsey, Surrey, England
Charles Chambers Son - Male 3 1848 - Bermondsey, Surrey, England
Joseph Chambers Son - Male 1 1850 - Bermondsey, Surrey, England
Street Carlton Cottages
Parish Saint James Bermondsey
City Southwark
County Surrey
Parliamentary borough Southwark
Registration district Bermondsey
Archive reference HO107
Piece number 1560
Folio 42
Page 6


(1861 at 4, Crown Place, Bermondsey, London)


(above one could be below, Father occ. Leather Dresser, abode, West Street)

All London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 (Ancestry)

Charles Robert Chambers
22 Mar 1848 Bermondsey St Mary Magdalene Southwark
William Chambers, Mary Chambers


(also below, Abode, Carlton Cottages, as 1851 above)

Joseph Chambers
28 Apr 1850 Bermondsey Christ Church Southwark
William Chambers, Mary Chambers


CHAMBERS, CHARLES ROBERT (HOBBS)
GRO Reference: 1848 M Quarter in SAINT MARY MAGDALEN BERMONDSEY SURREY


Deaths Sep 1851 (>99%)
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CHAMBERS Charles Robert Bermondsey 4 8
Chambers Charles Robert Bermondsey 4 9


All London, England, Church of England Deaths and Burials, 1813-1980 (Ancestry)

Charles Robert Chambers
abt 1849 (Burial) 5 Oct 1851 St James, Bermondsey Southwark Burial
(Abode, Carlton Cottages)


CHAMBERS, JOSEPH (HOBBS)
GRO Reference: 1850 S Quarter in SAINT MARY MAGDALEN BERMONDSEY SURREY

Looks to be correct:-

Birth:
CHAMBERS, CHARLES mmn: HOBBS
GRO Reference: 1854 S Quarter in SAINT MARY MAGDALEN BERMONDSEY SURREY Volume 01D Page 51

Birth:
CHAMBERS, JULIA ELIZA mmn: HOBBS
GRO Reference: 1852 J Quarter in SAINT MARY MAGDALEN BERMONDSEY SURREY Volume 01D Page 65

Marriage:
Name: Julia Eliza Chambers
Spouse: Thomas Walter Merris (Morris on original) Engineer
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 13 May 1877
Parish: Holy Trinity, Chelsea
Borough: Kensington and Chelsea
Father Name: William Chambers (deceased) leather dresser
Spouse Father: James Merris (Morris on original) Coachman
Register Type: Parish Register

Hi all Julia chambers b.abt.1852 to William and Mary was elder sister to charles b.1854 he married Kezia hardy Morris from Chelsea in 1879,but a Julia chambers m. a Morris also from Chelsea in 1877,is this the same Julia Morris head of household that a charles ( boarder or brother) and nephew Albert chambers are staying with on the census sheet kind regards Graham N.Z

Hi many thanks to Safc Sylia in Canada and Margaret M , I have since tracked Albert Victor chambers ww1grave son of Keziah and charles to Tincourt cemertary France kind regards Graham Chambers N.Z.

????? whether this is Charles Edward, birth date and place fit!

1911 Census

Name: Charles Chambers
Age in 1911: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1887
Birth Place: Bermondsey, London, England
Search Photos:
County/Island: Military
Country: England
Military Unit: 3rd Royal Fusiliers
Registration District Number: 641
ED, institution, or vessel: Mauritius and South Africa
Piece: 34976

from image:-

Single
Private

London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: Charles Edward Chambers
Estimated birth year: abt 1888
Age: 31
Spouse: Gladys Evelyn Selwyn
Spouse Age: 24
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 14 Apr 1919
Parish: St Jude, East Brixton
Borough: Lambeth
Father Name: Charles Chambers
Spouse Father: Frederick Selwyn
Register Type: Parish Register

Father:- Leather Splitter
Address:- 119 Mayall Eoad
Witnesses:- Francis J Kent and G. Buttle

safc ...............


sorry I missed your post! Thank you,

?????????

This looks like the child who died .......

Deaths Jun 1896 (>99%)
Chambers Ethel Alma 2 St. Olave 1d 141


Marriages ............. the girls all got married in 1904!!

London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: Florence May Chambers
Estimated birth year: abt 1884
Age: 20
Spouse: Charles Ambrose Fairhead
Spouse Age: 25
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 22 May 1904
Parish: St Luke, Bermondsey
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: Charles Chambers
Spouse Father: Charles Alfred Fairhead
Register Type: Parish Register

Address:- 23 Alfred St
Charles:- Leather Dresser
Witnesses:- Herbert J Norbury and Emline C Chambers


Name: Emmeline Caroline Chambers
Estimated birth year: abt 1883
Age: 21
Spouse: Herbert John Norbury
Spouse Age: 23
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 16 Jun 1904
Parish: St Luke, Bermondsey
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: Charles Chambers
Spouse Father: Thomas John Norbury
Register Type: Parish Register

Address:- 23 Alfred Street
Charles:- Leather dresser
Witnesses:- Floren - Huppuch Morris and James Charles Morris


Name: Alice Maud Chambers
Estimated birth year: abt 1886
Age: 18
Spouse: William Burgess McGuckin
Spouse Age: 28
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 24 Jul 1904
Parish: St James, Bermondsey
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: Charles Chambers
Spouse Father: Thomas Mcguckin
Register Type: Parish Register

Address:- 23 Alfred Street
Charles:- Leather Dresser
Witnesses:- Herbert John Norbury and Emeline Norbury

I found Julia on the 1911 working as a Cook in a household ............. she says she's a widow and had no children.

I found her in 1891 also working as a Cook in Kent, age 28, and she says she's married, but there is no husband shown

I cannot find her in 1871, so presumably she married between 1871 and 1881, but who knows where!

you have to work out from where it is placed as to how the relationships work.

I believe that as Albert was entered after Charles that it meant he was Charles' nephew ........... Charles may have told Julia that when they began boarding there.

You'd have to trace Julia back to see if there was a possible relationship.

Maybe Charles and Keziah had split up for a short time, and then got back together before the 1911??

That's something we'll never know!

Hi Sylia.if it was from a census would not Albert be put down as nephew to the head of the household I,e mrs Morris widow regards Graham

Baptisms of the 7 children, all records from the same source ......

London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906

Name: Emiline Carry Chambers
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 25 Mar 1883
Father's name: Charles Chambers
Mother's name: Kezzia Chambers
Parish or Poor Law Union: Bermondsey St Mary Magdalene
Borough: Southwark
Register Type: Parish Registers

From image:-
Address:- 31 Darbin (??sp) St
Father:- Leather Dresser


Name: Florence Mary Chambers
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 13 Jul 1884
Father's name: Charles Chambers
Mother's name: Kezia Chambers
Parish or Poor Law Union: Bermondsey St Mary Magdalene
Borough: Southwark
Register Type: Parish Registers

Address:- 15 Storks' Road
Father:- Leather Dresser


Name: Alice Maud Chambers
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 20 Dec 1885
Father's name: Charles Chambers
Mother's name: Keziah Chambers
Parish or Poor Law Union: Bermondsey St Mary Magdalene
Borough: Southwark
Register Type: Parish Registers

Address:- 37 Darwin Street
Father:- Dresser


Name: Charles Edward Chambers
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 8 May 1887
Father's name: Charles Chambers
Mother's name: Kezia Chambers
Parish or Poor Law Union: Bermondsey St Mary Magdalene
Borough: Southwark
Register Type: Parish Registers

Address:- 25 Ernest St
Father:- Leather Dresser


Name: Albert Victor Chambers
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 5 May 1889
Father's name: Charles Chambers
Mother's name: Keziah Chambers
Parish or Poor Law Union: Bermondsey St Luke
Borough: Southwark
Register Type: Parish Registers

Address:- 22 Albert Road
Father:- Leather Dresser


Name: Elsie Kezia Chambers
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 5 Oct 1890
Father's name: Charles Chambers
Mother's name: Kezia Chambers
Parish or Poor Law Union: Bermondsey St Luke
Borough: Southwark
Register Type: Parish Registers

Address:- 22 Albert Road
Father:- Leather Dresser


Name: Ethel Alma Chambers
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 23 Jul 1893
Father's name: Charles Chambers
Mother's name: Kerzia Chambers
Parish or Poor Law Union: Bermondsey St Luke
Borough: Southwark
Register Type: Parish Registers

Address:- 22 Albert Road
Father:- Leather Dresser

??? Keziah's death but age wrong

Deaths Jun 1912 (>99%)
Chambers Keziah 69 Marylebone 1a 574

It is the only death for a Keziah Chambers in London between 1911 and 1941


??? Charles' death

Deaths Dec 1913 (>99%)
Chambers Charles 59 St. Olave 1d 220


London, England, Church of England Deaths and Burials, 1813-1980

Name: Charles Chambers
Record Type: Burial
Age: 58
Estimated birth year: abt 1855
Death Date: abt 1913
Burial Date: 6 Dec 1913
Burial Place: Norwood Cemetery, Norwood Road, Lambeth, England
Parish or Poor Law Union: Norwood Cemetery, Norwood Road, Lambeth
Borough: Lambeth
Register Type: Bishop's Transcript
Comments: Reused graves at Norwood; see the database description for a link for more information.

from image:-

Address:- 23 Alfred Street, Bermondsey; removed from Bermondsey Hospital


I cannot find a similar record for Keziah

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
23 Alfred St Bermondsey, Bermondsey, London, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
Charles Chambers Head Married Male Skin Spletter 57 1854 Bermondsey
Transcription
Sh Ia Hardy Chambers - Married Female Dressmaker 55 1856 Kensington
Transcription
Albert Victor Chambers - Single Male Skin Fletcher 22 1889 Bermondsey
Transcription
George Randall - Married Male Railway Porter 61 1850 Worcester


and the image says kezia is deaf

nice find syilvia in canada

London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906

Name: Albert Victor Chambers
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 5 May 1889
Father's name: Charles Chambers
Mother's name: Keziah Chambers
Parish or Poor Law Union: Bermondsey St Luke
Borough: Southwark
Register Type: Parish Registers

Address:- 22 Albert Road
Occupation:- Leather Dresser