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1 Aug 2016 21:05 |
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1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
5, Hanover Street, Wigan, Lancashire, England
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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Joseph Werrell Head Widower Male 53 1808 Cotton Weaver Ireland
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Bellinda Coyle Lodger Unmarried Female 30 1831 Winder Ireland
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Thomas Ranicar Lodger Married Male 58 1803 Salt Reeler Wigan, Lancashire, England
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Betsey Ranicar Lodgers Wife Married Female 42 1819 Bottom Winder Lancashire, England
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1 Aug 2016 21:07 |
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Thomas Renacre
England, Manchester, Parish Registers
Name Thomas Renacre
Event Type Marriage
Event Date 12 Jun 1854
Event Place St Mary, Bury, Lancashire, England
Gender Male
Marital Status Widowed
Father's Name Peter Renacre
Spouse's Name Betty Massey
Spouse's Gender Female
Spouse's Marital Status Single
Spouse's Father's Name Moses Partington
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1 Aug 2016 21:09 |
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Lancashire Death indexes for the years: 1850
Surname Forename(s) Age or Year of Birth Sub-District Registers At Reference
RANNICAR Mary 30 Wigan Wigan & Leigh WIG/24/463
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Barbara
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1 Aug 2016 21:09 |
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Thank you so much. xx
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1 Aug 2016 21:16 |
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https://goo.gl/6AuEmN
thomas rannicar 1854 marriage cert
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1 Aug 2016 21:17 |
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1851 Census
Name: Jane Ranicas
Age: 12
Estimated birth year: abt 1839
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Thomas Ranicas
Gender: Female
Where born: Wigan, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Wigan
Ecclesiastical parish: St Catherine
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County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Wigan
Sub-registration district: Wigan
ED, institution, or vessel: 1h
Household schedule number: 155
Piece: 2199
Folio: 231
Page Number: 42
Thomas Ranicas 40 b.ca 1811, Wigan, Widower, General Labourer
Jane Ranicas 12 no occupation shown
Address:- Belvoir Street
Two families living in the house.
It IS Ranicar on the image!
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1 Aug 2016 21:28 |
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Marriage: 14 Feb 1859 St Peter, Bolton, Lancashire, England
Charles Hulme - (X), full, Chimney Sweeper, Bachelor, Great Bolton
Jane Ranecar - (X), full, Spinster, Great Bolton
Bride's Father: Thomas Ranecar, Labourer
Witness: John Blackley; William Ranicar, (X)
Married by Banns by: George Foster Curate
Notes: ['Illegitimate' is written in the groom's father's name column]
Register: Marriages 1857 - 1859, Page 188, Entry 375
Source: Microfilm of the register at Manchester Library
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1 Aug 2016 21:31 |
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from lancs opc
Marriage: 12 Jun 1854 St Mary the Virgin, Bury, Lancashire, England
Thomas Renacre - (X), 45, Labourer, Widower, Bury
Betty Massey - (X), 40, Spinster, Bury
Groom's Father: Peter Renacre, Labourer
Bride's Father: Moses Partington, Weaver
Witness: Squire Hutchinson, (X); Ra. Crompton
Married by Banns by: P. J. Williams Curate
Register: Marriages 1853 - 1854, Page 234, Entry 468
Source: Original Register
Interesting to compare this entry with the 1861 Census ...........
Thomas Ranicar Lodger Married Male 58 1803 Salt Reeler Wigan, Lancashire, England
Betsey Ranicar Lodgers Wife Married Female 42 1819 Bottom Winder Lancashire, England
The ages and occupation are so far out that I wonder if this is the correct pair
Thomas Rannicar was born ca 1811-1814 ......... so should be about 50-51 in 1861, occupation seems a little strange.
Betty Massey was 40 when they married in 1854, but only 42 in 1861 .............. possible that she lied so as not to seem too young BUT ...................
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SylviaInCanada
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1 Aug 2016 21:48 |
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Looking at the image of that 1861 Census on ancestry, it is apparent that there are severl mistakes with the transcription as posted by safc ....
Joseph Werrell Head Widower Male 53 1808 Cotton Weaver Ireland
Bellinda Coyle Lodger Unmarried Female 30 1831 Winder Ireland
Thomas Ranicar Lodger Married Male 58 1803 Salt Reeler Wigan, Lancashire, England
Betsey Ranicar Lodgers Wife Married Female 42 1819 Bottom Winder Lancashire, England
On the image, Lodger and Lodgers Wife have been crossed out, and replace with Head and Wife.
Looking at the other people living at that address, it is apparent that there are 3 families living in the same house, but independent of each other. The only one shown as Lodger, and left as such, is Belinda Coyle who is seemingly lodging with Joseph Werrell.
Thomas occupation is Salt Dealer, but his age is still shown as 58, with birth year estimated at 1803.
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1 Aug 2016 21:53 |
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Betty's death, from lancs bmd ...........
Lancashire Death indexes for the years: 1887
RANICAR Betty 78 Hindley Wigan & Leigh HNDL/53/371
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Barbara
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2 Aug 2016 06:16 |
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What a journey this as become. I have Jane and Charles wedding certificate and yes it is them. Sadly Charles is a dead end . I guess I will never find his mothers name. In 1841 he is living in a house of sweeps. Thank you again for my journey xx
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2 Aug 2016 16:21 |
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Hi - Can someone please help me to know how to find the details of residents in 1940's at St Mary's Nursing Home, Nightingale Rd Southsea. Also when they were discharged. Thank you.
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+++DetEcTive+++
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2 Aug 2016 17:19 |
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Shell - best to start your own thread. Hindley is in a totally different county to Portsea. 1940 & 1841 are 101 years apart :-D
Added - an Internet search shows you have 2 threads already
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1357248
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1331866?page=2
Return to those and add 'still looking' to bring them up the boards
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2 Aug 2016 17:48 |
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Barbara ................
you never know what we'll be able to fond for you :-D
Is this the child you think is your Charles Hulme in 1841?
1841 Census
Name: Charles Hulme
Age: 11
Estimated birth year: abt 1830
Gender: Male
Where born: Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Bolton Le Moors
Hundred: Salford
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Bolton
Sub-registration district: Little Bolton
Piece: 536
Book: 7
Page Number: 3
William Greenwood 60 b.ca 1781, not born in Lancashire, Sweep
Margaret Flitcroft 50 b.ca 1791, Lancashire
William Johnson 15 b.ca 1826, Lancashire, Sweep
John Crook 13 b.ca 1828, Lancashire, Sweep
Charles Hulme 11 Sweep
Address:- no street address given
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2 Aug 2016 17:54 |
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same Charles in 1851
1851 Census
Name: Charles Hulme
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1831
Relation: Servant
Gender: Male
Where born: N, Bolton
Civil Parish: Little Bolton
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Bolton
Sub-registration district: Little Bolton
ED, institution, or vessel: 09
Household schedule number: 144
Piece: 2209
Folio: 276
Page Number: 39
William Greenwood 73 b.ca 1778, not known where born, Chimney Sweeper
Charlotte Taylor 67 b.ca 1784, N, Halliwell, Lodger, Washerwoman
Charles Hulme 20 Chimney Sweeper
Ralph Derbyshire 10 b.ca 1841, N, Bolton, Chimney Sweeper
Address:- 8 Back Chapel Street
NOTE:- N in the place born should be Lancashire ("-do-" mistranscribed as N)
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2 Aug 2016 17:56 |
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Charles and Jane in 1861
1861 Census
Name: Charles Hulme
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: 1831
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Jane Hulme
Gender: Male
Where born: Bolton, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Little Bolton
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Bolton
Sub-registration district: Little Bolton
ED, institution, or vessel: 4f
Household schedule number: 63
Piece: 2820
Folio: 103
Page Number: 14
Charles Hulme 30 Chimney Sweep
Jane Hulme 23
Caroline Hulme 1
Address:- 28 Water Street
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2 Aug 2016 18:36 |
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Are there any problems with the 1861 census in Bolton that you know of? I cannot find Jane or Charles Hulme. Many thanks xx
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Barbara
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2 Aug 2016 18:38 |
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Again Thank you for all your help x
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2 Aug 2016 20:40 |
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No1851 problems listed for Bolton RD.
The 1851 census piece # range is ho107/1466-ho107/2531
There are 5 pices with missing elements affecting just 4 RDs (NEWMARKET, BRAINTREE, STURMINSTER, SALFORD)
There are 2 pices with damaged elements affecting 3 RDs (SALFORD, MANCHESTER+ASHTON-UNDER-LYNE)
There are 19 pices with decayed elements affecting just 5 RDs (CHORLTON, SALFORD, MANCHESTER, ASHTON-UNDER-LYNE, OLDHAM)
(TNA only use "decayed" for the 1851 water-damaged pieces.)
To see more details, go to
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/
and click on advanced search and enter:
Find words
All of these words = 1851
Any of these words = missing damaged decayed
Search for or within references
Any of these references = ho107
FYI The (#) codes mean:
(1) Barracks and military quarters;
(2) HM ships at home;
(3) Workhouses (including pauper schools);
(4) Hospitals (sick, convalescent, incurable);
(5) Lunatic asylums (public and private);
(6) Prisons;
(7) Certified reformatories and industrial schools;
(8) Merchant vessels;
(9) Schools.
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2 Aug 2016 21:16 |
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Barbara and mgnv .............
I posted the 1861 Census for Charles and Jane at 17:56, no problem with it on ancestry
re-posted here ....
1861 Census
Name: Charles Hulme
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: 1831
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Jane Hulme
Gender: Male
Where born: Bolton, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Little Bolton
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Bolton
Sub-registration district: Little Bolton
ED, institution, or vessel: 4f
Household schedule number: 63
Piece: 2820
Folio: 103
Page Number: 14
Charles Hulme 30 Chimney Sweep
Jane Hulme 23
Caroline Hulme 1
Address:- 28 Water Street
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