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Hi - Can someone please help me to know how to find the details of residents in 1940's at St Mary's Nursing Home, Nightingale Rd Southsea. Also when they were discharged. Thank you.

What a journey this as become. I have Jane and Charles wedding certificate and yes it is them. Sadly Charles is a dead end . I guess I will never find his mothers name. In 1841 he is living in a house of sweeps. Thank you again for my journey xx

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Betty's death, from lancs bmd ...........

Lancashire Death indexes for the years: 1887

RANICAR Betty 78 Hindley Wigan & Leigh HNDL/53/371

Looking at the image of that 1861 Census on ancestry, it is apparent that there are severl mistakes with the transcription as posted by safc ....

Joseph Werrell Head Widower Male 53 1808 Cotton Weaver Ireland
Bellinda Coyle Lodger Unmarried Female 30 1831 Winder Ireland
Thomas Ranicar Lodger Married Male 58 1803 Salt Reeler Wigan, Lancashire, England
Betsey Ranicar Lodgers Wife Married Female 42 1819 Bottom Winder Lancashire, England


On the image, Lodger and Lodgers Wife have been crossed out, and replace with Head and Wife.

Looking at the other people living at that address, it is apparent that there are 3 families living in the same house, but independent of each other. The only one shown as Lodger, and left as such, is Belinda Coyle who is seemingly lodging with Joseph Werrell.

Thomas occupation is Salt Dealer, but his age is still shown as 58, with birth year estimated at 1803.

from lancs opc

Marriage: 12 Jun 1854 St Mary the Virgin, Bury, Lancashire, England
Thomas Renacre - (X), 45, Labourer, Widower, Bury
Betty Massey - (X), 40, Spinster, Bury
Groom's Father: Peter Renacre, Labourer
Bride's Father: Moses Partington, Weaver
Witness: Squire Hutchinson, (X); Ra. Crompton
Married by Banns by: P. J. Williams Curate
Register: Marriages 1853 - 1854, Page 234, Entry 468
Source: Original Register


Interesting to compare this entry with the 1861 Census ...........

Thomas Ranicar Lodger Married Male 58 1803 Salt Reeler Wigan, Lancashire, England
Betsey Ranicar Lodgers Wife Married Female 42 1819 Bottom Winder Lancashire, England

The ages and occupation are so far out that I wonder if this is the correct pair

Thomas Rannicar was born ca 1811-1814 ......... so should be about 50-51 in 1861, occupation seems a little strange.

Betty Massey was 40 when they married in 1854, but only 42 in 1861 .............. possible that she lied so as not to seem too young BUT ...................

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Marriage: 14 Feb 1859 St Peter, Bolton, Lancashire, England
Charles Hulme - (X), full, Chimney Sweeper, Bachelor, Great Bolton
Jane Ranecar - (X), full, Spinster, Great Bolton
Bride's Father: Thomas Ranecar, Labourer
Witness: John Blackley; William Ranicar, (X)
Married by Banns by: George Foster Curate
Notes: ['Illegitimate' is written in the groom's father's name column]
Register: Marriages 1857 - 1859, Page 188, Entry 375
Source: Microfilm of the register at Manchester Library

1851 Census

Name: Jane Ranicas
Age: 12
Estimated birth year: abt 1839
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Thomas Ranicas
Gender: Female
Where born: Wigan, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Wigan
Ecclesiastical parish: St Catherine
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County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Wigan
Sub-registration district: Wigan
ED, institution, or vessel: 1h

Household schedule number: 155
Piece: 2199
Folio: 231
Page Number: 42

Thomas Ranicas 40 b.ca 1811, Wigan, Widower, General Labourer
Jane Ranicas 12 no occupation shown

Address:- Belvoir Street

Two families living in the house.

It IS Ranicar on the image!

https://goo.gl/6AuEmN

thomas rannicar 1854 marriage cert

Thank you so much. xx

Lancashire Death indexes for the years: 1850
Surname Forename(s) Age or Year of Birth Sub-District Registers At Reference
RANNICAR Mary 30 Wigan Wigan & Leigh WIG/24/463

Thomas Renacre
England, Manchester, Parish Registers
Name Thomas Renacre
Event Type Marriage
Event Date 12 Jun 1854
Event Place St Mary, Bury, Lancashire, England
Gender Male
Marital Status Widowed
Father's Name Peter Renacre
Spouse's Name Betty Massey
Spouse's Gender Female
Spouse's Marital Status Single
Spouse's Father's Name Moses Partington

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
5, Hanover Street, Wigan, Lancashire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Joseph Werrell Head Widower Male 53 1808 Cotton Weaver Ireland
Transcription
Bellinda Coyle Lodger Unmarried Female 30 1831 Winder Ireland
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Thomas Ranicar Lodger Married Male 58 1803 Salt Reeler Wigan, Lancashire, England
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Betsey Ranicar Lodgers Wife Married Female 42 1819 Bottom Winder Lancashire, England

Actually .............. Rannicar was not spelled wrongly on the image of the 1841 Census

It was transcribed wrongly by the person who did the transcribing fro ancestry! I must admit that it was actually quite difficult to read the handwriting on the actual image!

pm from Barbara ........

Thank you so much. So Jane and her mother are in the workhouse. I wonder where Thomas Jane's father was. They had spelt Ann's surname wrong. Towards the end of her life Jane went back to the workhouse and just before she died one of her daughters to her to her home were she died. So at least she didn't die in the workhouse.

Could this be Thomas and Ann's marriage??

from lancs opc

Marriage: 10 Feb 1833 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
Thomas Ranicar - (X), Wigan Parish
Ann Hilton - (X), Wigan Parish
Witness: Caleb Hilton; Saml. Vizard
Married by Banns by: J. K. Glazebrook, Curate
Register: Marriages 1833 - 1835, Page 13, Entry 38
Source: LDS Film 1885692


there is no more information on ancestry where I can look at the actual image of the marriage register. This was of course before official registration began on July 1 1837, and marriage registers are, in general, much less informative.

Little bit more information on Ann's burial from ancestry

Wigan, England, Church of England Burials, 1813-1979

Name: Ann Rannicar
Birth Year: abt 1797
Death Age: 47
Burial Date: 22 Mar 1844
Burial Parish: Wigan, All Saints, Lancashire, England
Parish as it Appears: Wigan

from image:-

wife of Thomas Rannicar
Abode:- Schofield Lane


and Peter ..........

Wigan, England, Church of England Burials, 1813-1979

Name: Peter Rannicar
Birth Year: abt 1832
Death Age: 13
Burial Date: 3 Jun 1845
Burial Parish: Wigan, All Saints, Lancashire, England
Parish as it Appears: Wigan

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Abode:- Workhouse


from the above 2 records, it looks as though Ann had been released from the Workhouse and was living at Schofield Lane.

Unfortunately, the 1847 marriage certificate for Thomas and Mary Wood does ot give a street address for Thomas, it simpl says "Wigan", so we cannot say that Schofield Lane was their marital home.

We know from the newspaper report that Peter was working at a colliery so was also not living at the workhouse and that he had been taken to the workhouse after getting burned ...... this would probably have been to the infirmary section of the workhouse, which was the only place where poor people could get medical help for free.


I cannot find Thomas in 1841 ............. but it is tempting to suggest that he was either sick or in prison, and that was the reason why Ann and the 2 children had gone to the Workhsouse. Unfortunately, the 1841 Census gives very little information ...... later censuses would say things like "pauper", "patient" (which implies in the infirmary section), wife of xxx, widow of xxx, etc

from findmypast, newspapers

age is wrong, but I'm sure it's him, date fits the burial posted earlier

Death from Burning. —On Monday, Mr. Rogerson held an inquest tbe Workhouse, upon the boely a boy named Peter Rannicar, ten years of age, a drawer in a coal mine. Some time ago lie was asleep the engine-house of Colliery at Winstanley, anel
7 June 1845 - Manchester Courier and Lancashire G

from image (I've transcribed the entry for you):-

Manchester Courier and Lancashire General Advertiser 7 June 1845

News of the Neighbouring Towns
Wigan

Death from Burning -- On Monday, Mr. Rogerson held an inquest tbe Workhouse, upon the body a boy named Peter Rannicar, ten years of age, a drawer in a coal mine. Some time ago lie was asleep the engine-house of Colliery at Winstanley, and was awoke by pain from burning, when he found that he had got into the fire-hole of the engine, and although shockingly burned, and in the night, he called up a person, and was taken to the police station, and subsequently to the Wigan Workhouse where he died on Sunday last. Verdict of "accidently burned" was recorded.

???? baptism of Thomas, from ancestry

Wigan, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1580-1812

Name: Thomas Rannicar
Birth Date: 22 Mar 1810
Baptism Date: 5 May 1810
Baptism Place: Wigan, All Saints, Lancashire, England
Parish as it Appears: Wigan
Father: Peter Rannicar
Mother: Jane Rannicar

from image:-
fourth son of Peter Rannican and Jane
Address:- Whirley
Father occupation:- Weaver



same information from lancs opc (which is free)

http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html

Baptism: 5 May 1810 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
Thomas Rannicar - fourth Son of Peter Rannicar & Jane
Born: 22 Mar
Abode: Whirley
Occupation: Weaver
Register: Baptisms 1799 - 1812, Page 336
Source: Original register at Wigan Archives

Looking at the image of the 1841, Ann Rannicar is shown with occupation Cotton Weaver.

Just below her andat the bottom of the page is her son Peter, no occupation shown

The baby Jane, aged 1, is on the first line of the next page ..........

so mother and children are together


Out of interest ............. this is ancestry's version :-D

1841 Census

Name: Anna Ranniger
Age: 40
Estimated birth year: abt 1801
Gender: Female
Where born: Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Wigan
Hundred: West Derby
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Wigan
Sub-registration district: Hindley

Piece: 522
Book: 11
Folio: 4
Page Number: 4

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Anna Ranniger 40 Cotton Weaver
Peter Ranniger 6
Jane Rannicar 1
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1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Hindley Workhouse, Wigan, Lancashire, England

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Census details
Family member first name RICHARD, MARY, SARAH, ROGER, PETER, MARGT, GEORGE, WILLIAM, JANE, MARGAT, JOHN, ISAAC, BETTY, SUSANNAH, LAWRENCE, MARGARET
Family member last name ADAMSON, BEEVER, ENTWISTLE, LANGLEY, GREENALL, WALTON, EASTHAM, HIGGINSON, BLINSTON, CALTON, HITCHEN, ROUGHLEY, KNOWLES, YATES
First name(s) Peter
Last name Rannicar
Gender Male
Age 6
Birth year 1835
Birth county Lancashire
Birth county as transcribed LANCASHIRE
Birth place (other) England
Street Hindley Workhouse
Parish or township Wigan
City or borough -
Town Hindley
County Lancashire
Country England
Registration district Wigan
Archive reference HO107
Piece number 522
Book number 11
Folio number 4
Page number 4
Record set 1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Category Census, land & surveys
Subcategory Census
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