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UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960

Name: Mary B J Cromarty
Birth Date: abt 1885
Age: 34
Port of Departure: Montréal, Québec, Canada
Arrival Date: 9 Oct 1919
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ports of Voyage: Quebec
Ship Name: Melita
Search Ship Database: Search for the Melita in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping line: Canadian Pacific Line
Official Number: 136367

Travelling with John D S

Address in UK:- 145 Clifton St, Cardiff, S Wales

Mary age 34
John age 7

Country of Intended Future Residence: British Possessons

and William came to join her later ...........

UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960

Name: William Cromarty
Birth Date: abt 1885
Age: 35
Port of Departure: Quebec, Canada
Arrival Date: 22 May 1920
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Empress of France
Search Ship Database: Search for the Empress of France in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping line: Canadian Pacific Line
Official Number: 136266

Address in UK:- 145 Clifton St, Cardiff
Occupation:- Architect
Age:- 35
Country of Last Permanent Residence:- Canada

Their emigration from the UK ................

UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960

Name: W D Cromarty
Gender: Male
Departure Date: 29 Apr 1911
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Destination Port: New York, USA
Ship Name: Celtic
Search Ship Database: Search for the Celtic in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping line: White Star Line
Official Number: 113476
Master: A E S Hambelton

from image:-

Travelling with Mrs Cromarty
Occupation:- Architect
Going to New York

Travelling Second Class

from the Ellis Island site .......

Passenger Record

First Name : William David
Last Name : Cromarty
Nationality : United Kingdom, English
Last Place of Residence : Cardiff, Wales
Date of Arrival : May 8th, 1911
Age at Arrival : 26y
Gender : Male
Marital Status : Married
Ship of Travel : Celtic
Port of Departure : Liverpool
Manifest Line Number : 0015



FIRST NAME Mary B.J.
LAST NAME Cromarty
Marital Status Married
GENDER Female
Age at Arrival 25y
Ethnicity N/A
Last Place of Residence Cardiff, Wales
Year of Birth N/A
Passenger ID 101123070012
Date of Arrival May 8th, 1911
Ship of Travel Celtic
Port of Departure Liverpool


Going to Friend O Beaste (??) Hatchard, Bernard Ave, Vernon, BC

This looks like the friend ........

Census of Canada, 1911

Census Year: 1911
Item Number: 664051
Surname: Hatchard
Given Name(s): Buston
Age: 32
Province: British Columbia
District Name: Yale-Cariboo

from image:-

Name:- O Buston Hatchard
Address:- Barnard Ave
Lodger
Single
Born:- April 1879
Immigrated:- 1910
Religion:- Anglican
Occupation:- Architect




from this site ................

http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/genealogy/Pages/introduction.aspx

same site .............

ArgyllGran posted the record earlier


Census Year: 1911
Item Number: 779727
Surname: Cromarty
Given Name(s): William D
Age: 25
Province: British Columbia
District Name: Yale-Cariboo

from image:-

Address:- Wetham W
Born:- Dec 1885, England
Immigrated:- 1911
Nationality:- Scotch
Religion:- Anglican
Occupation:- Architect

Mary B J
Born:- July 1885, Wales
Nationality:- Welsh
Occupation:- Home

otherwise same as William

1911
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1911/pdf/e001944478.pdf

http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1911/pdf/e001944432.pdf
[O Butson Hatchard is also an architect]

The next Vernon directory I can find is 1913
Otto B Hatchard is listed, but not our Wm.
http://www.vpl.ca/bccd/index.php/

It looks like all the Vernon streets have been renamed at some point since then

Thanks for all your help

Just for information John D S Cromarty was a first cousin of a young Air Pilot Officer also called John Cromarty born Liverpool, whose plane was brought down over Germany in 1942, he was 22yrs old. The plane was found in 1970's and now that all the crew airmen have been identified the MOD are holding a ceremony in Berlin next week, they were searching for family of the crew.

Iam not related to the family just helped in locating family members here in England.

If Mary's brother Wynford, mentioned in her obituary, married in 1927, then there appear to be Prosser descendants, probably in Gloucestershire and Monmouthshire, but as it's too late now to contact them in time for the ceremony, I won't bother sending you details.

Thanks anyway ArgyllGran

The Prosser side was by marriage into William Cromarty family,he was uncle to the young Pilot.


Family has been traced and interviewed on the local radio today hopefully some family members are going to be able to attend the burial service of the men on 27th in Berlin.