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I am just re-kindling interest in my family tree after an absence of about a year and have found a marriage on my husband's side that is puzzling me. Details are as follows:-
Thomas Lay Fairwether married Elizabeth Schmidt - Q3 1880 6a 126 (Bristol)
there is also a date of marriage for the above - Q2 1883 11a 15 (Chepstow)
There is only one birth for a Thomas Lay Fairwether is registered between 1850 - 1860.
If anyone has any idea why these two people would have to marry twice I would be grateful for your input.

Thank in anticipation.

actually the second marriage seems to have been in 1882

from ancestry .........

Gloucestershire, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1938

Name: Thomas Lay Fairweather
Birth Year: abt 1859
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 6 Apr 1882
Age: 23
Spouse: Elizabeth Schmitt
Father: William Fairweather
Event Type: Marriage
Parish: Lydney, Gloucestershire
Parish as it Appears: Lydney
Register Type: Parish Registers

from image:-

Thomas
age 23
Bachelor
Occupation:- Dentist
Address:- Stroud (??)
Father occupation:- Tailor

Elizabeth:-
age 19
Spinster
no occupation shown
Address:- Sydney (??)
Father occupation:- Photographer

Witnesses:- Jacob Salxx (can't read remainder of surname) and John Henry Powell



EDIT:- forgot to add name of Elizabeth's father ........

Jacob Schmidt, photographer

Marriages Sep 1880 (>99%)
Fairweather Thomas Lay Bristol 6a 126

Marriages Jun 1882 (>99%)
Fairweather Thomas Lay Chepstow 11a 15


The second marriage was registered in Chepstow, but took place in Lydney

England & Wales marriages 1837-2008 Transcription
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First name(s) THOMAS LAY
Last name FAIRWEATHER
Marriage quarter 3
Marriage year 1880
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ THOMAS LAY FAIRWEATHER married
EMILY MARIA BROWN
District BRISTOL
District number -
County Gloucestershire
Country England
Volume 6A
Page 126
Record set England & Wales marriages 1837-2008
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
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1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Hadelock Villa, Cromwell Road, Ss James and Paul (United Out), Barton Regis, Gloucestershire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Mitchell Fairweather Head Widow Female 54 1827 - Cornwall, England
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Thomas Fairweather Son Single Male 21 1860 Dentist Haverhill, Suffolk, England
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Emily Fairweather Daughter Single Female 13 1868 Scholar Haverhill, Suffolk, England
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Edward Sparkling Lodger Single Male 21 1860 Commercial Traveller Bristol, Gloucestershire, England

There are about 2 reasons for a second marriage for a marriage like this


Something was wrong with the first marriage ................ ie, not the correct church, in a registry office, one of the participants was already married.

In this case, I wonder if Elizabeth was too young and did not have parental approval?? She is only 19 on the 1882 record.

I cannot find another record for the first marriage, other than on freebmd, ie, I can't the same record under those Gloucestershire CofE records


The other reason is that the groom was in the army and had not received his colonel's permission to marry beforehand. The army then considered that marriage illegitimate, and the couple shad to re-wed after getting the necessary permission.

Hi SylviainCnada

Tks for your reply. 1883 was a typo it should have been 1882.
Have the details you have stated but if its just a matter of registration why would banns be posted again in 1882 if the first marriage took place in 1880.

According to the 1881 census, Robert Medway married Emily :-)

1881 Census

Name: Robert Medway
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1856
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Emily Medway
Gender: Male
Where born: N K, Dorset, England
Civil Parish: Bristol St James In
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Street address: 2 Marlborough St
Marital Status: Married

Occupation: French Polisher
Registration district: Bristol
ED, institution, or vessel: 12

Piece: 2475
Folio: 38
Page Number: 2

Robert Medway 25
Emily Medway 25



which still leaves Thomas and Elizabeth marrying

The second marriage must have had to take place because there was something wrong with that first marriage.


I think you have to buy the first marriage certificate to find out.

If she really was 19 in 1882, then she could have been 16 or 17 when they married in 1880 ....... legal with parental or guardian permission, but not without that.

This seems to be him in 1881, not married. He's a dentist, same as on marriage record.


Thomas Fairweather

in the 1881 England Census
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Name: Thomas Fairweather
Age: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1860
Relationship to Head: Son
Parent: Mitchell Fairweather
Gender: Male
Where born: Haverhill, Suffolk, England
Civil Parish: Bristol St James and St Paul Out
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Street address: Cromwell Rd "Hadelock Villa"
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Dentist
Registration district: Barton Regis
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2485
Folio: 109
Page Number: 6
Household Members:
Name Age
Mitchell Fairweather 54
Thomas Fairweather 21
Emily Fairweather 13
Edward Sparkling 21

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Lansdown, Stroud, Gloucestershire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thos H Fairweather Head Married Male 31 1860 Dental Surgeon Haverhill, Suffolk, England
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Elizth Fairweather Wife Married Female 28 1863 - Bristol
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Winifred Fairweather Daughter Single Female 7 1884 - Stroud, Gloucestershire, England
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Nellie Fairweather Daughter Single Female 4 1887 - Stroud, Gloucestershire, England
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Elsie Fairweather Daughter Single Female 8 1883 - Stroud, Gloucestershire, England
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Ada Davis Servant Single Female 16 1875 Housemaid Stroud, Gloucestershire, England
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Fanny Bishop Servant Single Female 18 1873 General Servant Gloucestershire, England

this looks like Elizabeth in 1871

1871 Census

Name: Elizabeth Schmidt
Age: 8
Estimated birth year: abt 1863
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Jacob Schmidt
Mother's name: Esther Schmidt
Gender: Female
Where born: Bristol, Gloucestershire, England
Civil Parish: Horfield
Ecclesiastical parish: Bishopston
Town: Horfield
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Registration district: Clifton
Sub-registration district: Ashley
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Household schedule number: 58
Piece: 2550
Folio: 11
Page Number: 13

Jacob Schmidt 39 b.ca 1832, Naslan, Germany, Photographer
Esther Schmidt 34 b.ca 1837, Goole, Yorkshire
William Schmidt 17
Alice Schmidt 15
Thomas W Schmidt 13
Sarah Schmidt 11
Jacob Schmidt 10
Elizabeth Schmidt 8

Address:- Egerton Road


I haven't yet found her in 1881

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
1, Regent Street, Clifton, Barton Regis, Gloucestershire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Jacob Schmidt Head Married Male 49 1832 Photographer Germany
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Esther Schmidt Wife Married Female 45 1836 - Goole, Yorkshire, England
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Alice Powell Daughter Married Female 25 1856 House Keeper Goole, Yorkshire, England
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Lizzi Schmidt Daughter Single Female 18 1863 Scholar Bristol, Gloucestershire, England

BIRTHS, MARPJAGES, DEATHS. St, 12, wife G Hole, son. **• MARRIAGE. F^w^THTrs— ScwitxDT.-Apra 6. the Parish Church Thomas Lay Fairweather. Stroud. " youngest daughter Herr Schmidt, law CliftonT^ „*¦ Wulmott
08 April 1882 - Western Daily Press - Bristol, Bristol, England


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DEATHS.
DEATHS.
Street, who died Oct. 7, 1903, aged 24. Gone, but not forgotten. PAIEWEATHEB.—In ever loving memory only brother. Thomas Lay Fairweather, of I.ansdcwn, Stroud, who was accidentally drowned Oct. 6, 1901. WILLIAMS.—In loving memory my dear mother, Sarah
07 October 1904 - Western Daily Press - Bristol, Bristol, England


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DEATHS.
DEATHS.
Oct. 5, 1902. Ever remembered by his two sons, George and Will. F-VIEWEATHZR.—In ever loving memory dear brother, Thomas Lay Fair-weather, of Laosdown. Stroud, whom God called away suddenly Oct. 6. 1901. HILL.—In loving memory of my dear father. He try
05 October 1905 - Western Daily Press - Bristol, Bristol, England


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STROUD TO-DAY.
STROUD TO-DAY.
3s. 6d. costs and the Bench hoped it would be warning to him. of Mr. T. L. Fairweather.—The remains of the late Mr. Thomas Lay Fairweather. of Lnnsdov.n, who was drowned in the Gloucester and .Berkeley Canal on Sunday last, were interred in Stroud Cemetery
12 October 1901 - Gloucester Citizen - Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England


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DISTRICT NEWS.
DISTRICT NEWS.
renovation turd, realised £7 7d. STROUD. Death of Stbocd Dentist —Mr R. H. Smith held an inquest Pa;low the bodv of Thomas Lay Fairweather, wbos-s body was found the Gloucester and Berkeley Ship Canal on Sunday afternoon. Mr W. B. Arnold, of Gloucester
10 October 1901 - Western Daily Press - Bristol, Bristol, England

Ah


she's on the 1881 census as LIZZIE, single and living with her parents!

1881 Census

Name: Lizzi Schmidt
Age: 18
Estimated birth year: abt 1863
Relationship to Head: Daughter
Father: Jacob Schmidt
Mother: Esther Schmidt
Gender: Female
Where born: Bristol
Civil Parish: Clifton
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Street address: 1 Regent St

Occupation: Scholar
Registration district: Barton Regis
ED, institution, or vessel: 1

Piece: 2479
Folio: 20
Page Number: 33
Household Members:
Name Age
Jacob Schmidt 49
Esther Schmidt 45
Alice Powell 25
Lizzi Schmidt 18



so there was something wrong with the first marriage.

snap, safc :-)

http://eastanglianancestors.co.uk/fam9455.html

from FMP


DISTRICT NEWS.
DISTRICT NEWS.
renovation turd, realised £7 7d. STROUD. Death of Stbocd Dentist —Mr R. H. Smith held an inquest Pa;low the bodv of Thomas Lay Fairweather, wbos-s body was found the Gloucester and Berkeley Ship Canal on Sunday afternoon. Mr W. B. Arnold, of Gloucester
10 October 1901 - Western Daily Press - Bristol, B


from image:-

He was in a boat on the water and having trouble raising the sail. About an hour after someone saw that, the stern of the boat was seen to be sticking up out of the water. Thomas Fairweather's body was found in 16' of water

Thomas had recently bought the boat, was not experienced and was unable to swim

Verdict:- Accidentally drowned.

A tree on Ancestry shows his marriage in 1880, Bristol but the same tree shows him on the 1881 census as single and living with his parents.