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I am fairly new at this family tree thing, but I am getting there and I have found family that I didn't know about and I have found photos.
What I cannot find is the marriage between my great grandfather, Henry Appleton born c1852 at Appleton Wiske Yorkshire (near Middlesbrough) and his wife Emma, she was Emma Bagnall born c1863 in Leeds. They appear in the 1891 census as man and wife,
but I cannot find any evidence of marriage. Henry died around 1898 and Emma was quick off the mark and she married William Buckton around 1900, he died around 1905 and she remarried again to Robert Myers..She was like a black widow spider!
She died in 1930 and she was still Emma Myers.
Anyone got any info on the marriage with Henry as it is doing my crust in trying to find it. :-S

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Emma Bagnall
England and Wales Census, 1871
Name Emma Bagnall
Event Type Census
Event Date 1871
Event Place Holbeck, Yorkshire (West Riding), England
Enumeration District 11
Gender Female
Age 8
Occupation Scholar
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Birth Year (Estimated) 1863
Birthplace Leeds, Yorkshire
Entry Number 6
Affiliate Image Identifier GBC/1871/4520/0167
HOUSEHOLD

ROLE

GENDER

AGE

BIRTHPLACE

John Bagnall Head M 50 Staffordshire
Mary Bagnall Wife F 41 Rawmarsh, Yorkshire
Sarah Ann Bagnall Daughter F 18 Beddington, Northumberland
Martha Bagnall Daughter F 17 Black Hill, Northumberland
Mary Ann Bagnall Daughter F 13 Masbrough, Yorkshire
Emma Bagnall Daughter F 8 Leeds, Yorkshire
Patience Bagnall Daughter F 4 Stockton-On-Tees, Durham
Comfort Bagnall Daughter F 4 Stockton-On-Tees, Durham

this could be emma's marriage


Emma Bagnall
England and Wales Marriage Registration Index
Name Emma Bagnall
Event Type Marriage
Registration Quarter Apr-May-Jun
Registration Year 1884
Registration District Leeds
County Yorkshire
Event Place Leeds, Yorkshire, England
Volume 9B
Page 726
Line Number 348

Emma Bagnall probably married one of the following people
Name Joseph Barker
Name Eliza Sotheran
Name Benjamin Townsend

Yorkshire Marriages Transcription
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First name(s) William
Last name Buckton
Age 39
Birth year 1861
Marriage year 1900
Marriage date 24 Dec 1900
Marriage place Middlesbrough, St Paul
Residence 16 Adam St
Father's first name(s) William
Father's last name Buckton
Spouse's first name(s) Emma
Spouse's last name Appleton
Spouse's age 38
Spouse's residence 16 Adam St
Spouse's father's first name(s) John
Spouse's father's last name Bagnall
County Yorkshire (North Riding)
Country England
Archive Teesside Archives
Archive reference PR/M(P) 1/1-18
Page 166
Record set Yorkshire Marriages
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
Collections from Great Britain

Yorkshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1884
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
BAGNALL Emma PYRAH Edwin Leeds Registered Building Leeds RB/82/41
Total records matching : 1

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
High Dean Street, Middlesbrough, Yorkshire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Henry Appleton Head Married Male 39 1852 Brass Moulder Yorkshire, England
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Emma Appleton Wife Married Female 29 1862 - Leeds, Yorkshire, England
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George Appleton Son Single Male 9 1882 - Middlesbrough, Yorkshire, England
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John Appleton Son Single Male 5 1886 - Middlesbrough, Yorkshire, England
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Samuel Appleton Son Single Male 3 1888 - Middlesbrough, Yorkshire, England
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Thomas Appleton Son Single Male 1 1890 - Middlesbrough, Yorkshire, England

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
16, Adam Street, Middlesbrough, Yorkshire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Buckton Head Married Male 41 1860 Wharf Labourer Well, Yorkshire, England
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Emma Buckton Wife Married Female 38 1863 - Leeds, Yorkshire, England
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John Appleton Son Single Male 16 1885 Swift Mending Hills Works Middlesbrough, Yorkshire, England
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Samuel Appleton Son - Male 13 1888 - Middlesbrough, Yorkshire, England
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Thomas A Appleton Son - Male 11 1890 - Middlesbrough, Yorkshire, England
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William Appleton Son - Male 9 1892 - Middlesbrough, Yorkshire, England
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Robert Appleton Son - Male 6 1895 - Middlesbrough, Yorkshire, England
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Emma Appleton Daughter - Female 3 1898 - Middlesbrough, Yorkshire, England

Robert ..................

welcome to the Boards, and to this fascinating but often frustrating hobby :-)

If I may give you one tip .........


the best site to begin looking for births, marriages and deaths between July 1 1837 and about 1970-ish is the free site

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl


then just follow instructions

I see from the 1891 Census that the eldest child George was born ca 1882 in Middlesborough

This is the only Freebmd listing for a George Appleton born in Middlesborough ca 1882. It means his birth was registered in the quarter ending in March, and he could have been born any time between mid-November 1881 and end of March 1882 as the mother had 6 weeks to register a birth ............

Births Mar 1882 (>99%)
Appleton George Henry Middlesbro' 9d 552


Do you know if this is the correct George?


If so, it means that Henry and Emma probably married soon after the Census in 1881, as Henry is shown as Unmarried on that census, although he is living in Linthorpe, Middlesborough


Of course, they may never have married at all :-)

Yorkshire Baptisms Transcription
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First name(s) George Henry
Last name Appleton
Birth year 1882
Birth date 19 Jan 1882
Baptism year 1882
Baptism date 19 Feb 1882
Baptism place Middlesbrough, St Paul
Denomination Anglican
Father's first name(s) Henry
Mother's first name(s) Emma
County Yorkshire (North Riding)
Country England
Archive Teesside Archives
Archive reference PR/M(P) 1/1-2
Page 66
Record set Yorkshire Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Births & baptisms
Collections from Great Britain

henry is a brass finisher address 28 dean st

Yorkshire Baptisms Transcription
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First name(s) Samuel
Last name Appleton
Birth year 1887
Birth date 31 Aug 1887
Baptism year 1887
Baptism date 14 Sep 1887
Baptism place Middlesbrough, St Paul
Denomination Anglican
Father's first name(s) Henry
Mother's first name(s) Emma
County Yorkshire (North Riding)
Country England
Archive Teesside Archives
Archive reference PR/M(P) 1/1-2
Page 364
Record set Yorkshire Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Births & baptisms
Collections from Great Britain

Thanks for your swift replies on this, and yes it is a fascinating a extremely frustrating subject.
Thanks for the info on Emma, particularly the info on her parents and sisters. I will try and follow her side one day, at the moment I am trying to follow the Appleton line, I have got back to a John Appleton c1777 and hit a brick wall.
As for Emma I can only conclude that she may or may not have married Henry, would it be normal for her to take the Appleton name and use them on census forms?
Their oldest son was George Henry and he was born In Middlesbrough c1882, he married Charlotte Ann Winskill and they lived in Sheffield where they had four children.

"would it be normal for her to take the Appleton name and use them on census forms?"

Absolutely, if only for to appear respectable.
Although not necessarily in this case, many husbands/wives parted and took up with someone else as they couldn’t afford a divorce.
A vicar or registrar takes what he is told at face value. In the instance of the baptisms or birth registrations, he won’t have asked to see a marriage certificate. The same would apply for additional marriages. Quite a few members have discovered bigamous marriages even though the living spouse lived in the same area.

I think at least as many people lived common-law back then as do now ........... proof of marriage or death usually did not have to be provided!

is this john appleton born 1777

John Appleton
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
birth: 3 January 1777
christening: 19 January 1777 SAINT PETER, LIVERPOOL, LANCASHIRE, ENGLAND
father: Charles Appleton

I think I have the right John Appleton c1777, he married Jane?
They had a son George born c1811, they probably had more kids but this is as far as I have got. Like I said I am new at this sort of thing.
George married Margaret Carter in Warrington so that puts them in the right area if John was from the North West.
I could of course be completely wrong :-)

George Appleton
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
birth: 18 March 1811
christening: 19 March 1811 BROMPTON BY NORTHALLERTON, YORK, ENGLAND
father: John Appleton
mother: Jane Wilson

Thomas Appleton
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
birth: 31 January 1803
christening: 3 February 1803 BROMPTON BY NORTHALLERTON, YORK, ENGLAND
father: John Appleton
mother: Jane Wilson

James Appleton
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
birth: 25 June 1809
christening: 9 July 1809 BROMPTON BY NORTHALLERTON, YORK, ENGLAND
father: John Appleton
mother: Jane Wilson

John Appleton
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
birth: 18 January 1808
christening: 21 January 1808 BROMPTON BY NORTHALLERTON, YORK, ENGLAND
father: John Appleton
mother: Jane Wilson

Mary Appleton
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
birth: 24 May 1806
christening: 26 May 1806 BROMPTON BY NORTHALLERTON, YORK, ENGLAND
father: John Appleton
mother: Jane Wilson

is this john appleton 1777

John Appleton
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 27 April 1777 BROMPTON BY NORTHALLERTON, YORK, ENGLAND
father: William Appleton
mother: Sarah