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Hi, there is a family story that my ancestor Roger Bond Luscombe married Susan Jane Perrin(s?) aboard the 'Isles of the South" which left from Plymouth for Lyttelton in 1873. As I couldn't find their marriage records in either England or NZ I'm wondering if this story is perhaps true? Does anybody know how I could find out about this??
Thank you.

Sheryl

can you find the arrival of the Isles of the South in Lyttleton, and see the passenger list?

There might well be a note made by the captain.

I know one of my ancestors had a baby on board a ship from Melbourne to California, and that was noted as an addition to the Passenger List

Perhaps they married later- a lot later!

New Zealand, Marriage Index, 1840-1934

Name: Roger Bond Luscombe
Gender: Male
Marriage Year: 1904
Relation: Bridegroom
Spouse: Susan Jane Perring
Folio Number: 6212
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And returned to England:

Western Morning News - Monday 03 August 1925

LUSCOMBE- On July 31st at 18, Forestreet, Kingsbridge, Roger Bond, the beloved husband of Susan Jane Luscombe, aged 71 years (late of Omihi, South Island, New Zealand. Funeral on Tuesday August 4th at Woodleigh at Three pm. (New Zealand Papers please copy).
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Western Morning News - Tuesday 08 December 1925

OTHER WILLS
Mr Roger Bond Luscombe of 18 Forestreet, Kingsbridge left estate of the gross value of £9,464 of which £5,154 is net personalty. Probate of the Will has been granted to Frank Horley and Frederick William Rogers syndics of Lloyds Bank, Limited, the executors. The testator left his furniture to his wife, his residence and £100 a year to her during her widowhood, and, subject thereto, £800 to his children, other than his son Roger and the ultimate residue to all his children in equal shares.

Perhaps one of them was not free to marry until 1904.

Could this be Susan's birth? :-

First name(s) SUSAN JANE
Last name PERRING
Birth year 1853
Birth quarter 2
Registration month -
Mother's last name -
District KINGSBRIDGE
County Devon
Country England
Volume 5B
Page 189
Record set England & Wales births 1837-2006

If so then this looks like her with her parents and siblings in 1861:-

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Stapleton Village, Slapton, Kingsbridge, Devon, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place

William Perring Head Married Male 42 1819 Farm Labourer Slapton, Devon, England
Susan Perring Wife Married Female 37 1824 - West Alvington, Devon, England
Susan Jane Perring Daughter - Female 7 1854 - Slapton, Devon, England<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Samuel George Perring Son - Male 5 1856 - Slapton, Devon, England
Sarah Ann Perring Daughter - Female 1 1860 - Slapton, Devon, England

Kath. x

Roger's birth:-

First name(s) ROGER BOND
Last name LUSCOMBE
Birth year 1853
Birth quarter 4
Registration month -
Mother's last name -
District KINGSBRIDGE
County Devon
Country England
Volume 5B
Page 188
Record set England & Wales births 1837-2006

Kath. x

How confusing- same family 1871:

Name: William Perring
Age: 30 [50]
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
[Abt 1821]
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Susan Perring
Gender: Male
Where born: Slapton, Devon, England
Civil Parish: West Alvington
Town: [Farm Houses]
County/Island: Devon
Country: England
Registration district: Kingsbridge
Sub-registration district: West Alvington
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Household schedule number: 24
Piece: 2101
Folio: 7
Page Number: 6
Household Members:
Name Age
William Perring 30 [50]
Susan Perring 43
William Perring 21
George Perring 15
Susan Perring 12
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But is this original Susan in 1871 in KINGSBRIDGE UNION WORKHOUSE??

Name: Susan Perring
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation: Inmate
Gender: Female
Where born: Slapton, Devon, England
Civil Parish: Churchstow
County/Island: Devon
Registration district: Kingsbridge
Sub-registration district: West Alvington
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Household schedule number: 64
Piece: 2101 Folio: 45 Page Number: 19

Living as Luscombe before marriage - although Sarah, not Susan - presumably mistranscription on the ER, as she's Susan on later ER's:

Sarah Jane Luscombe
in the New Zealand, Electoral Rolls, 1853-1981
Name: Sarah Jane Luscombe
Electoral Year: 1896
District: Ashburton
Region or Province: Canterbury

Address: Eiffelton

Living with Roger Bond Luscombe, Eiffelton, farmer


This is the latest NZ ER showing for them on Ancestry - so they travelled back between 1911 and 1925:

Susan Jane Luscombe
in the New Zealand, Electoral Rolls, 1853-1981
Name: Susan Jane Luscombe
Electoral Year: 1911
District: Hurunui
Region or Province: Canterbury

Living with Roger Bond Luscombe, farmer.

There's also an Albert Edward Luscombe, shepherd, at a different address.
(Their son, as shown by WW1 record - below.)

They were back in UK by end of 1915 :

Albert Edward Luscombe
in the New Zealand Army WWI Nominal Rolls, 1914-1918
(Vol 1: 15 Aug 1914 - 31 Dec 1915)

Name: Albert Edward Luscombe
Regimental Number: 2/1517
Last Residence: Hanmer Springs
Relative Name: Mrs R B Luscombe
Relative Relationship: Mother
Embarkation: 1914-1915

Mother's address: Combe Road, Kingsbridge, Devonshire. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<

I'm wondering about these two arrivals in the UK

Date is 1909, his initial is wrong, BUT he is a Farmer

All UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960

Mr W Luscombe 58 abt 1851 7 May 1909 New Zealand London, England
Mrs Luscombe 56 abt 1853 7 May 1909 New Zealand London, England

Thank you all for this information! Some of this I know already - I know about Roger Bond's birth, his family, the names of his children and that they returned to the UK and bought Combe Royal in Devon. This new information about Susan Jane and her family is very interesting - the story that I heard (which came from outside of the family) was that Susan was 'below his station in life' which was why they emigrated to NZ although 2 of his brothers had already emigrated. On the passenger list Susan was listed as "Lusconbe" and they had a 6 month old baby called Georgina (who I haven't been able to track in NZ - not sure what happened to her?)

Any more information about this would be greatly appreciated - I am new to this family history research but keen to learn!

On the face of it, this could be Georgina's birth - but after you say the family went to NZ? Must be another Georgina.

Births Jun 1874 (>99%)
Perring Georgina Kingsbridge 5b 223

Yes it would be Susan Jane as she was 20 years old when they sailed for NZ in 1873.
Roger Bonds parents were Henry and Mary and were farmers at Higher Hendham Woodleigh. One of Roger Bonds sons returned to Devon roughly when Roger Bond and Susan did and helped his grandfather to farm the property.

Roger Bond Luscombe purchased Combe Royal at auction in 1912 I believe.

ship sailed 2 November 1873. The child's named looks like Georgina or Georgena? Susan Jane died 15/1/1934.

Is Sarah on the passenger list as Perring or Luscombe?

What is the baby's surname?



OOPs sorry ..... you've already answered this question

:-D

According to the Cyclopedia of New Zealand v3 Canterbury document, which can be seen on FindMyPast, Roger said he was married in Devonshire in 1873

so it really does look as though they did not marry until 1904 ........ the question is why???

They were both pretty young to have been married to someone else before 1873, although that is not impossible.

Could Roger have been under some sort of restriction by his father not to marry Sarah?

Do you know when his father died?

Roger's father Henry was still alive in 1911, and didn't die until 1914, so his death can't have affected whether they married or not.

Deaths Mar 1914 (>99%)
Luscombe Henry 90 Kingsbridge 5b 305


Perhaps it was some age restriction on potential inheritance? Roger would have been 50 when they married - a good round number, and maybe his father hoped it would sound so old and daunting to the young Roger that he would break off with Susan.

Found this - Roger Luscombe junior in court, 1897 (scroll down to "Civil Cases"):

http://tinyurl.com/jnfbnrv

so somebody ordered some clothes and somebody seems to not have paid, or something :-)