Genealogy Chat

Hi All, thank you for replying and the information provided. I certainly will use the tiny url next time. Thanks for that tip. I hadn't a clue what I was doing but kinda got there in the end although I now know that I can minimise the link. You learn something every day. I will continue to look for this tug.

Kind regards

Kathryn

Going back to the name of the tug, if you look at James surname the t is like the third letter in the boats name. It seems to end in eor and I think it could read Meteor.

Your oppions please?

Did your James marry Ada Amanda Pankhurst in 1878?

Hiya. Thank you for the latest information. Yes Ada Amanda Pankhurst was my Great Grandmother and married James in 1878.

Kind regards

Kathryn

The name of the Tug could be Meteor.

There is a photo here:-

http://www.cyber-heritage.co.uk/psound/sss74.jpg

Kath. x

Thank you Kathleen. This may well be the boat as I haven't been able to find a boat with the other two names.

Kind regards

Kathryn

The photo is not of a tug. Even big sea-going tugs were still "short & fat". This is far too long - and fully armed. Maybe a Meteor Class destroyer?

Not sure what year the death was, but herewith a link to RN tugs:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Admiralty_tug

It indicates that the Admiralty had them from 1909.

So Kathleen do you agree with me it could be Meteor?

METEOR 1849

Built 1849 by Caird and Co, Greenock. YN19. Iron paddle Tug. L105.9’. B17.6’. D8.6’. 168grt. 30nrt. 60ihp 2cylSL steam engine by builder. ON32597.

2-1849 delivered to Clyde Shipping Co Ltd., Glasgow. 10-4-1854 Owner Nicol A. Mein, London. 21-6-1854 Owner Nicol A. Mein and Thomas Fisher, London. 11-6-1856 Sold to W. Buyers and A. Learmouth, Sydney NSW. 24-10-1856 Sold to William Fanning, Sydney. 18-8-1868 Sold to Chinese owners.

Inky take a look here

http://thamestugs.co.uk/EARLY-TUG-NAMES-L-P.php

My GG died on 23 December 1897 on board whatever boat/tug that is listed on the death certificate. I tried looking for the Meteor but the only ones I could find were in operation after the 1900's.

Kind regards

Kathryn

Now that I have looked at the death certificate(!)

Death in 1897 so not Meteor 1849 - probably broken up by then.

I think that, as mentioned early on, Frig was short for Frigate. Thus H M Frig "name"

Mel, just as I stated - "short & fat". Powerful engines.

I appreciate everyones help with my quest, it's giving us all a bit of a headache. I do value all of your input.

Kind regards

Kathryn

Probably. but the site does have pictures of what the boats looked like.

On the death cert it is definately Tug. Look at the T on the written date at the top. Just the same and as the Thos Robinson at the end.

The M is like the one where it says Male.

So we have M? et as in the name Bryant then eo r as at the end of Stoker for his occupation. It just has to be Meteor????

Have a look at this - 2nd section, headed Dockyard Tugs :-)

http://www.naval-history.net/WW1NavyBritishShips-Dittmar5Support.htm#33

from the link by Andysmum ................

Dockyard Tugs

METEOR, iron dockyard paddle tug, Aetna-type. Launched 5.9.83 Laird. 530 tons, 128(pp)x25x10ft. 850ihp. Served in Chatham, believe flew blue ensign, renamed PERSEVERANCE 1914. Sold 31.1.23 Carriden S Bkg Co.

Yes yes yes. I thought I was right.

Thanks Sylvia and Andysmum.

What a find, well done. Perseverance does pay off. Am so appreciative of everyones time and help on this quest. So for sure it is H.M. Tug "Meteor" Chatham. I think this is the first certificate that I've had that has caused such a problem in deciphering.

Kind regards

Kathryn

Blue Ensign.
That probably explains why I could not find a RN record for him on the National Archives website. I have RN records for 4 x great uncles and 1 x great grandfather. Those records list all of the vessels on which the men served.

Morning, clearly GG was just a civilian and not actually a Naval Stoker, just a Stoker aboard. Having re checked the earlier Censuses GG is listed as a Stoker, it's just on his death cert it states Naval Stoker.

Now to try and find out where he might be buried, if indeed he was buried, not sure what happened to people who died in that era? Have just found a record that GG left money to my great grandmother, Ada Amanda Bryant nee Pankhurst , the sum of £44. Did that equate to a lot of money in those days?

Thank you all for your continued help and time spent.

Kind regards

Kathryn