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Cecelia Silk nee Ratner USA early 1900's

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mgnv

mgnv Report 21 Feb 2016 00:28

Nearly all these FS URLs link to images



I really think you ought to download another browser, even if you only use it to access FS.
To be without FS for US research will really hamstring you.

Using various collections at:
https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1®ion=UNITED_STATES

1900 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MSV9-58H
Event Place Borough of Manhattan, Election District 16 New York City Ward 8, New York County, New York, United States
David Rotmer Head M 48 Russia
Lena Rotmer Daughter F 22 Russia
Morris Rotmer Son M 19 Russia
Alleis Rotmer Son M 16 Russia
Sallie Rotmer Daughter F 14 Russia
Sarah Rotmer Daughter F 12 Russia

1910 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M54D-SVC
Event Place Brooklyn Ward 26, Kings, New York, United States
Morris Ratner Head M 32 Russia
Gussie Ratner Wife F 29 Russia
Bertha Ratner Daughter F 6 New York
Mary Ratner Daughter F 5 New York
Bella Ratner Daughter F 4 New York
Aaron Ratner Son M 2 New York
[Store proprietor]

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M54R-SWQ
[Morris is a dentist]

NJ1915 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QV97-D9VY

1920 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MJRV-C1T
[Morris is a jobber]

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MV38-R3J
[addy = 56 Washington St]
[Morris is a doctor working in the dentist industry.
Lena is living with him, so this is the right Morris & Gussie]

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MV34-YZ9
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M4TK-4R7

1930 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X4GN-3WL
Morris Ratner Head M 48 Russia -[Moscow]
Gussie S Ratner Wife F 40 New York
Elinor Ratner Daughter F 12 New York
Janet M Ratner Daughter F 3 New York

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X4P6-TMX
Lena T Fellman Head F 55 Russia
Matilda T Fellman Daughter F 25 New York

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X4XG-FP5

1940 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K4TQ-M4V
Charles I Silk Head M 66 Hungary
Celeia Silk Wife F 54 Russia

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K4T3-53F
United States Census, 1940
District 12-98
Sheet Number and Letter 13B
Line Number 56
Affiliate Publication Number T627
Affiliate Film Number 2361
Digital Folder Number 005462099
Image Number 00242


https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F6QK-DKL
Name Bernard Fellman
Spouse's Name Lena Ratner
Event Date Jun 1902
Event Place Manhattan, New York, New York
Father's Name Lazer Fellman
Mother's Name Cheine Landman
Spouse's Father's Name David Ratner
Spouse's Mother's Name Sarah Levin

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2444-K4S
Name Charles Isidor Silk
Event Type Marriage
Event Date 22 Sep 1912
Event Place Bronx, New York, New York, United States
Gender Male
Age 38
Birth Year (Estimated) 1874
Father's Name Samuel
Mother's Name Kathrine Troustren
Spouse's Name Cecelia Ratner
Spouse's Gender Female
Spouse's Age 27
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated) 1885
Spouse's Father's Name David
Spouse's Mother's Name Tillie







https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J614-PYD
Given Name David
Surname Rattner
Event Date 14 Nov 1893
Age 43y
Nationality Russia
Departure Port Bremen
Arrival Port New York
Gender Male
Marital Status M
Ship Name Weimar
[The link is to the Ellis Is site - we want their image # 821]
David Rattner 43 labourer
Chassa Rattner 40
Moses Rattner 11
Elia Rattner 9
Lube Rattner 20
Zivie Rattner 8
Sara Rattner 7
[FS transcription of names - it's possible Chassa is Lube's step-mother]
You want to follow the path:
https://familysearch.org/search/collection/2386295?collectionNameFilter=false
New York Passenger Arriva...(Ellis Island), 1891-1924
Browse through 3,243,611 images
Roll 620, 19 Oct 1893-14 Nov 1893
Image 824 of 860



https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VZPJ-D6S [d 1980]

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KXB2-DQJ
[I read n.o.k. as Mrs Gussie Ratner]

brigid

brigid Report 21 Feb 2016 10:57

Thanks for the technical advice and all the trouble you went to summarising the important facts from Family search

I know nothing about browsers .
.really need a new computer this one flickers

If I access genes Reunited from library maybe i will be able to see these images
ps does family search cover south africa too


+++DetEcTive+++

+++DetEcTive+++ Report 21 Feb 2016 11:27

Copy and paste of SA records on FS The large numbers refer to the number of records. The date is the last time they were up-dated.

BillionGraves Index 27,908 26 Jan 2016
[Images are at a partner site] - https://billiongraves.com/

Find A Grave Index 54,043 15 Dec 2015
[Images are at a partner site] - http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gs&

South Africa, Cape Province, Civil Deaths, 1895-1972 103,574 21 Sep 2015 [Images on FamilySearch]

South Africa, Church of the Province of South Africa, Parish Registers, 1801-2004 389,387 06 Nov 2014 [Images on FamilySearch]

South Africa, Dutch Reformed Church Registers (Cape Town Archives), 1660-1970 220,122 25 Jan 2013 [Images on FamilySearch]

South Africa, Free State Dutch Reformed Church Records, 1848-1956 46,522 19 Mar 2015 [Images on FamilySearch]

South Africa, Methodist Parish Registers, 1822-1996 63,475 09 Dec 2013 [Images on FamilySearch]

South Africa, Natal Province, Civil Marriages, 1845-1955 210,566 11 Jul 2013 [Images on FamilySearch]

South Africa, Netherdutch Reformed Church Registers (Pretoria Archive), 1838-1991 48,422 03 Feb 2016 [Images on FamilySearch]

South Africa, Orange Free State, Estate Files, 1951-2006 62,162 17 Apr 2015 [Images on FamilySearch]

As long as the Library has internet access (which they normally do) you will be able to sign in to GR.

mgnv

mgnv Report 22 Feb 2016 14:02

Paul - RE
"Ah I've found her name on the registration of births for April, May, June 1924
It has her mother's maiden name as Foster. It doesn't mention the father. It is page 79 of the register so I'm guessing it was around April. Still struggling to find her baptism details."

Looks like some mistakes in methodology there.
Firstly, one can't tell from the index whether the father's mentioned or not.
He could be named as Albert (or whatever) Atherton, or the Atherton could come from the widowed mum's married name.
It seems clear that it's the former case that holds here.

Secondly, I presume you determined 1924q2 births for Wigan RD took up pages 1-295, and said 79/295=30%, so 30% of quarter would mean a mid-April birth (allowing for a week's worth of March birth registrations.
Well, it's true the births are ordered by date of registration, since they're copies made for the GRO of the original registers.
But after each subdistrict registrar's copies are turned in to the district superintendent, neither he nor the GRO reorders the things.
So a birth on the 47th of 65 Hindley pages could appear as page 47 of 295 (if Hindley were the first subdistrict) or as page 277 of 295 (if Hindley were the eighth subdistrict).
Although you could apply your methodology to just the Hindley returns, and get 47/65 = 72% of way thru quarter, i.e., a late May d.o.b., we can be a bit more precise here since ook care to find the first entry on the first Hindley page, and the last entry on the last page, eo we find we're after entry 228 of 321 for the quarter, i.e., 228/321 = 70%.

Here are some FreeBMD hits with the local ref appended:
Births Jun 1924 (>99%)
Haywood Dorothy Mather Wigan 8c 1 STND/51/63
Wilkins Nellie Taylor Wigan 8c 13 STND/51/121
[page 14 is blank]
Haydock James Taylor Wigan 8c 15 ASPL/73/29
Miller May Latham Wigan 8c 31 ASPL/73/106
[page 32 is blank]
Ramsdale Robert H Ramsdale Wigan 8c 33 HNDL/217/490
Atherton Marian Foster Wigan 8c 79 HNDL/218/217
Halliwell Robert Bache Wigan 8c 97 HNDL/218/310
[page 98 is blank]
HOLLAND Douglas E ROBERTS Wigan 8c 99 WIG(E)/4/185
Marrow Freda M Baldwin Wigan 8c 139 WIG(E)/4/384
[page 140 is blank]
HODGSON William F BENNETT Wigan 8c 141 WIG(C)/4/113
Havard Joseph O'Neil Wigan 8c 183 WIG(C)/4/322
[page 184 is blank]
White Leonard Houghton Wigan 8c 185 WIG(W)/4A/104
HILL Marian HEYES Wigan 8c 214 WIG(W)/4A/242
[page 215 is blank]
Winstanley Sarah Knowles Wigan 8c 216 ORRL/5/147
Marsh May Tinsley Wigan 8c 233 ORRL/5/235
[page 234 is blank]
HOWARTH Kenneth WOOD Wigan 8c 235 ASHT/77/128
Wildman John Martland Wigan 8c 259 ASHT/77/246

Consider the 3 local refs:
HNDL/217/490, HNDL/218/217, HNDL/218/310
The first is entry 490 from rego # 217 - there are 500 entries in B & D rego's, so there are 11 1924q2 entries in this rego, and they continue thru entry 310 of rego # 218.
Rego's were usually numbered sequentially within a series, such as Hindley births, Standish deaths, St John's Pemberton marrs, etc.

As a footnote, what I presume is your methodology would work if the Registration District had just one subdistrict - tn 1911this was the case for just one of Lancs 30 RDs, viz Barrow-in-Furness.

Pemberton is 3km W of Wigan, Hindley is 4km E of Wigan (although the subdistrict included most of Ince, so was closer to Wigan).

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Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1930
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
ATHERTON Esther EVANS Edward Primitive Methodist Church, Woodford St.Lamberhead Green Wigan & Leigh A5W/3/5

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1944
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
ATHERTON Marian BOWLES Albert Primitive Methodist Church, Woodford St.Lamberhead Green Wigan & Leigh A5W/4/20

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I don't see why you can't click on the above URLs and then click on the image link on your home computor, but anyways.
If you get the image at the library, there's a download button in the image header bar.
Clicking on this downloads the image to the Downloads folder in My Documents, and you can then email them from the library to yourself.
If you've got a lot of images to download, then the following is useful.

Click on Start button in bottom left, then on My Documents.
You can then highlight a group of 10 files, right-click, and send to a compressed (zipped) folder - it's much easier to mail 2 zipped folders to yourself than 20 images.

If your library has an Ancestry sub, then the following is useful.
My library has an Ancestry sub, but limits all computer usage to 2 one-hour sessions per day - I find it's not really long enough to fully comprehend the data I can get from images, which is why I always send myself copies.
Click on Start button in bottom left, then on All Programs, then Accessories, then double-click on Notepad.
This opens a notepad document - you can copy and paste stuff into it, and type notes - it's a very crude word-processor.
Once you've got something in it, pick File - Save As, and name the file Notes_2016-02-23.txt or something appropriate.
Thereafter, you can just pick File - Save to keep it updated. Email this file to yourself too.