Genealogy Chat

what one hun? my sister? x

what one hun? my sister? x

I hope she is treading carefully! The daughter probably has an inkling of how things were, but one never knows.

if she's the one on FB I think may be her, I like her already. :-)

u have been great. thank u. soooo much info. and i have found his daughter my sister has msg her on fb...xxxxx

Knowing what I know after a few hours with search engines last night, Sylvia, I doubt there were any replies to that post!

We're working on it ... fascinating to an outsider, delicate for those involved.

don't forget that there may have been responses to that old thread ...............

It was not possible to reply on a thread in 2004, all responses were by pm ................. so no-one knew what had been sent or who by.

I often thought that OPs would receive loads and loads of duplicate pms from "helpers"

Just so anyone reading knows, Serena and I have been PMing and I've given her rather a load of info that isn't really appropriate for the boards, so lots of new questions and things to investigate (in particular about what is mentioned in the old thread) ... :-)

hi, wow, yes this is my sister who im trying to help, as u can see from the date we havent got anywhere but having been on here only a few days we know so much more now. thank u xxxxxxxx :-)

Serena,

A very old thread - but mentions you and your sister.

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/563777

no idea whether the George/Clement in one place and the George in the other place at the same time were the same person! or who the other party in the other place was, despite searching ... the name doesn't match either of the spouses in the other two George marriages in the index ...

too bad the ER ends at 1965 :-)

from the other record of your dad that I sent, I figured the servants' quarters notion was out of whack

the address in question just seemed to have several unrelated people at any given time, many of them with 'foreign' names

as I mentioned by PM I would really get hold of your dad's first marriage certificate just to have as much info as possible

Ohhhh my so much info. Wow.
I dont know about him living with another woman. Have no idea...
Used their middle names? In india people did use their middle nane instead of their first so I can defo relate to this.
Ohhhh I dont know about the servant quarters but dad did come from a well of place in india.


So he was staying at 2 adress at the same time??? R u sure its him......
What does it all mean.......
This is fab info. I have also msg u.....xxxx :-)

for info this seems most likely to have been first wife's birth

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F1WQ-621

so dob late 1935


I understand you do know when your dad died ... his name is misspelled in the deaths index at Ancestry, no access to the GRO image there to check

just for info, your dad is with first wife on 61, 62 and 63 electoral rolls, all at the same address
(in 1963 the search doesn't find him for some reason; I had to find the image and check the address)

and is listed with someone else, at a different address, on 64 and 65 electoral rolls (not your mother ... ?)

your parents married 10 years later ?

it seems as though he and first wife separated and he immediately began living with someone else, who used his surname but was not married to him ?

the same could be true of first wife, still living in England after 1963 but with a different partner and under another surname



okay, here's a fun bit

I searched for the 61/62 address on later electoral rolls

in 1964, your father and first wife are at the same address as in 1961, 62, 63
and they are still there in 1965 also (the last available year)

... but they are listed by their middle names !!

he is Clement, she is Finhoola

just their little joke ??

but he (or someone with his unusual name) was listed with the other woman in 1964 at a different address

your father by his middle name is listed in 1958 and 1959 at the same address as in 1961 etc, but alone

I can't find him or the address in 1960


the dwelling next door (#14) to the 1959-65 address (#12) is occupied by a Lord and Lady

I wonder whether the address where your dad and first wife lived, where there were always several other unrelated people, was servants' quarters

if you look on google streetview, 14 Ladbroke Road Kensington is rather grand, 12 is plain and square (and seems to be one room deep ...)

in 1957, the Lord and Lady are at 14, but no one at all is at 12, so possibly the only servants present were not eligible to vote

(I can't find the Lord and Lady in 1960 either, so I suspect there is something missing at Ancestry)



edit 7 Jan to add for the record and for anyone reading in future who might be connected

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/living_relatives/thread/1357136

think the dna testing is the best way to go with this.

and yes at least we would know.
im really not sure what it said on dads mc
yr prob right she prob went back to ireland.
have mentioned to my sister about the dna testing just waiting to see what she says
xxx

the DNA testing would absolutely answer the question of whether you two have the same dad, for a one-time price to get a yes or no answer

if so, question settled! if not, you never know what might turn up ...


as for first wife, first question is what your dad's marital status was when he married your mum, on his marriage certificate

widowed or divorced?

(and of course ... did he tell the truth ...)

possibly they separated, she returned to Ireland, she died there, possibly under her birth name

or remarried there if they were divorced

the fact that they do not seem to have children could mean the marriage was short-lived

the dna testing is very interesting xxxx

ahhh lol ok. hehe
why would 1st wife not be found anywhere on the electoral roll after 1963.
not on death record or anywhere. do u think i should give up. the dwp
is the only people left but they will not help. . also the 1st wife would be the only one who would know everything xxxx

sorry, I got myself confused in my inbox :-) that was a different message! ignore the 'keepsafe'

and I checked the GRO index image and amended my post above

I'm not sure about the T and F business, but one or the other, the electoral roll or the GRO index, could be an error, certainly

so u think the t is correct? i saw it i did.....
hmmmm ...

i dont understand about the keepsake. sorry im so new to this xxx

the F could be a mistake

the GRO index (image at Ancestry) does say F, but it could have been incorrectly transcribed from the certificate to the index


I did request access to your keepsafe as you suggested so if I can make anything out of the name I will post it!