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I take it no help with address on Birth Cert. then?...
(and probably occ. for John as Custom something again!)

Chris :)

I have Harry's birth and marriage cert, it wasn't much help to be fair, it gave out his father and mother's name, John Clouston and Mary Jane weir, and I have all info on the weir's, just wish the clouston's was that easy..

(aah!, thanks Mary)

Chris :)

Marriage: 7 Sep 1879 St John the Baptist, Atherton, Lancashire, England
Antoinoia Dolce - (X), 32, Sailor, Bachelor, 40 Paradise Street, Liverpool
Elizabeth Weir - 29, Tenter, Spinster, 10 Short Street
Groom's Father: Santo Dolce, Fisherman
Bride's Father: Neal Weir, Sailor
Witness: James Davies; Esther Hindle
Married by Banns by: John Bleasdale Offg. Minr.
Performed at: St Anne's Mission Church, Hindsford
Register: Marriages 1873 - 1891, Page 62, Entry 124
Source: LDS Film 1885670

http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html

Ancestry.co.uk

Maryb.

(Mary Report 1 Sep 2015 13:53
Grace Weir/Grace Weir Clouston born 19/9/1890 West Derby 5b 353 baptised Grace Weir 26/6/1891 by James and Mary Weir of 18,Juliet Street.
I think the James Weir is made up as Mary Weir was unmarried.)


Can I ask where you found this Mary?...(just wondering!)

Chris :)

I don't think Grace Weir 1890 -1891 was Mary Jane Weir's sister .

Maryb.

Perhaps start with Birth Cert. of Harry...you could try that 1892 Marriage...

Chris :)

(the John Clouston, and Family on Census posted, was to confirm he was the one relating to Newspaper Death, and his Daughter Grace, with her Death
His Son, John Brand Clouston, remains there, until his Death 1937, Marries an Isabella in Scotland, 1891, as given on that link from google, which covers that family!)

http://www.genesontheweb.co.uk/p1671.htm

Thanks Chris, I don't know how you got all that info.. how can I find out for sure he is the right one? before I go any further..!! I can't even get hints from him, Grace Weir is Mary Jane's sister.. I have all info on the Weir's..
P.S I'm confused too :-0

Marriages Jun 1892 (>99%)
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COULSTON John Liverpool 8b 371
Weir Jane Liverpool 8b 371

(is that above?, sorry folks, getting confused here!)

Chris :)


Births Mar 1889 (>99%)
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Clouston Harry W. Derby 8b 358


Births Dec 1890 (>99%)
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Clouston Grace Weir W. Derby 8b 353

(do you have above Certs?)


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(this Family seems to relate to Newspaper Death I posted earlier, and the Death below)

Deaths Dec 1886 (>99%)
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Clouston Grace Helen 8 W. Derby 8b 337


1881 (Find My Past)
John Clouston Head Married Male 37 1844 Outdoor Officer H M Custom Aberdeenshire, Scotland
Jessie Clouston Wife Married Female 36 1845 - Aberdeenshire, Scotland
John Clouston Son - Male 13 1868 Telegraph Messanger Aberdeenshire, Scotland
George Clouston Son - Male 7 1874 Scholar Aberdeenshire, Scotland
Jessie Clouston Daughter - Female 5 1876 Scholar Aberdeenshire, Scotland
Edwin Clouston Son - Male 4 1877 - Aberdeenshire, Scotland
Grace Helen Clouston Daughter - Female 3 1878 - Aberdeenshire, Scotland
Alexander T Clouston Son - Male - - - Aberdeenshire, Scotland
House number 115
House name North Broadford
Town Aberdeen
Parish Old Machar
County Aberdeenshire
Country Scotland
Registration district Old Machar
Archive reference RG11



(reference below, to post by Mary)

London, Docklands and East End Baptisms, 1558-1933 Transcription (Find My Past) (and probably Ancestry)

First name(s) JOHN SPENCE
Last name CLOUSTON
Birth year 1847
Birth date 04/06/1847
Baptism year 1847
Baptism date 11 Aug 1847
Father's first name(s) John Spence
Mother's first name(s) Catherine
Father's occupation Tide Waiter
Address 14 Bird St
Parish St George In The East, Stepney
Church address Cannon Street Road


(Tide Waiter / Tidesman. Customs inspector who boarded ship on arrival to enforce customs regulations)

(apologies, just see reading back, also added by greyghost)

This is the couple who baptised Jane Johnson Clouston 1843 and John Spence Clouston born 4/6/1847. of 14,Bird Street.

John Spence Clouston full age a bachelor Customs Officer of 40,Gt Hermitage Street his dad was James Clouston a butcher married Catherine White born @ 1812
They married in Middlesex 12/10/1841 .

Hermitage Street was in Wapping/Tower Hamlets 1841 near St Katherine Docks it is now Hermitage wall E1W 1LW.


Death for John Spence Clouston J/A/S 1848 St George in The East V2 P60.
This would account for Catherine,Jane and John being in Scotland 1851.





1861 9,Bird Street Wapping
Eliza Bennett
Eliza (Clouston) wife born Scotland 1801.
Jane Clouston 1843 niece.


Maryb.

I have all info on Mary Jane weir.. going back to 1801...and 1744 on the other side of the family.. im just stuck on the Clouston side...

Grace Weir/Grace Weir Clouston born 19/9/1890 West Derby 5b 353 baptised Grace Weir 26/6/1891 by James and Mary Weir of 18,Juliet Street.
I think the James Weir is made up as Mary Weir was unmarried.

1891 18,Juliet Street Kirkdale
Antonio Dolce born Austria
lizzie Dolce 44 born Ireland nee Elizabeth Weir sister to Mary Jane Weir.

No sight of Mary,Grace or Henry/Harry in 1891
Grace died 1891.

Maryb.

From Cheshire BMDs - Mary Weir married James Brannan 1892:

WEIR Mary BRANNAN James Birkenhead, Civil Marriage or Registrar Attended Wirral

Yes, he is a customs house officer..

I can see a marriage for a Mary Weir Birkenhead 1892, but there is a name missing from the index. Haven't pinned down the missing name as yet. I assume this is yours? There is also a Liverpool marriage with a John Coulston and a Jane Weir on the index, I guess not relevant?
Jan

Do you have an occupation for John from Harry's marriage cert?

WOW Thank you every one..
The only information I have is from the census.. I can not find a Bor D for john Clouston..
my 2xgreat grandmother is Mary Jane weir, born in Ireland then moved to Kirkdale with her family.. Mother is Eliza (Elizabeth) after 1888 she moved again to reddish in Stockport, where the rest of the family came from...
I myself is wondering if it is john spencer Clouston, but how can I be sure with out the doc's I need?
I have harry & Emily's marriage cert which gives john Clouston as the father.. but only Emily's parents have signed it,
I do know that the family name comes from the Orkney's.. just so many of us..lol

Do you have the marriage cert? If you do, please give every scrap of detail from it. If not, you need it I think, as you should get details for John's father - hopefully!

John Coulston married Liverpool A/M/J 1892 to Jane Weir 8b 371 she was born Mary Jane Weir in Ireland to Neil Weir and Elizabeth.So the John in 1891 kirkdale is correct.

Maryb

Have sent Georgina a PM to help her return to her thread and hopefully give us further information.