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I am searching my partners ancestors . I have Kenneth Sinclair my partner still living His father Thomas Sincalir born 1892 Byker Newcastle married Margaret Cable Simpson 1891 in 1918. Thomas's father was Hugh Sinclair born 1857 Perth Scotland he married Catherine Garavan 1859. They had 2 sons John and William. Catherine died 1885. Hugh went to Newcastle on Tyne maybe for work and took his 2 sons with him as he is on the Census.1901 Now this is the odd bit. It says on the 1901 sensus that Hugh is there with his 2 sons John and William and now has Thomas age 9. It says that Sarah Sinclair is Hughs wife nee Stokoe late Ord. I cannot find any marriage for these two or a death for Sarah. Hugh went back to Scotland Perth and in 1905 married Amy Jane Barrie nee Lawrence. He took Thomas with him but left John and William possibly because they had jobs. They were apprentice boiler makers. Can anyone find Sarah's marriage to Hugh or her death please or any sign of what happened to John and William. Thank you

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
212, Raby Street, Newcastle upon Tyne, Byker, Northumberland, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Hugh Sinclair Head Married Male 42 1859 Gasfitter Scotland
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Sarah Sinclair Wife Married Female 40 1861 - Hexham, Northumberland, England
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John Sinclair Son Single Male 20 1881 Apprentice Boiler Maker Scotland
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William Sinclair Son Single Male 19 1882 Apprentice Boiler Maker Scotland
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Thomas Sinclair Son Single Male 9 1892 - Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland, England

Could this be William in the 1911 census:-

First name(s) William
Last name Sinclair
Relationship Lodger
Marital status Single
Sex Male
Occupation General Trader
Age 29
Birth year 1882
Birth place Perth N B
Address Tower Street Newcastle Upon Tyne
Parish All Saints
County Northumberland
Country England
Archive reference RG14
Registration district Newcastle upon Tyne
Registration district number 558
Enumeration district 18
District number -
Sub district All Saints
Sub district number 5
Census reference RG14PN30655 RD558 SD5 ED18 SN9999
Piece number 30655

Kath. x

Marina,

You do not state whether or not your partner is living. If so, might I suggest that you delete your partners date of birth? It is not a good idea to include such info.

It is possible that Hugh and Sarah never married. Could this possibly be her death if her married name of Ord was used for her death:-

First name(s) SARAH
Last name ORD
Gender Female
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1859
Age 58
Death quarter 1
Death year 1917
District MORPETH
County Northumberland
Volume 10B
Page 625
Country England

Kath. x

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription

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First name(s) Sarah
Last name Sinclair
Relationship Inmate
Marital status Married
Sex Female
Occupation -
Age 57
Birth year 1854
Birth place North Hexham
Address Westgate Road Newcastle Upon Tyne
Parish Elswick
County Northumberland
Country England
Archive reference RG14
Registration district Newcastle upon Tyne
Registration district number 558
Enumeration district 36
District number -
Sub district Elswick
Sub district number 3
Census reference RG14PN30614 RD558 SD3 ED36 SN9999
Piece number 30614
Folio -
Page -
Other household member first name(s) -
Other household member last name -
Record set 1911 Census for England & Wales
Category Census, land & surveys
Subcategory Census
Collections from Great Britain

Where does it state that Sarah's name is nee Stokoe, late Ord? Is it on a birth certificate because it won't be on a census return?

Kath. x

Thank you everyone for your replies. Yes Kath that might be William on the 1911 Census. I have the 1901 Census thank you safc. It says Sarah is married but cannot find any marriage or her death and yet Hugh married Amy Jane Barrie 1905 :-S

Kathleen I have Thomas's birth certificate that states shes Sarah Sinclair late Stokoe formerly Ord and they were living at 9 Melrose Street Newcastle

Safc does this mean that Sarah was in some kind of home

Marina

it could be the workhouse

Safc I tried 1911 Census for Sarah Ord but it said not found

Safc
Oh gosh the workhouse poor thing. I wonder why she would be there as she had a son Thomas who went to Perth Scotland. Maybe this is not her hopefully

Thanks Inky I've corrected that

the 1911 census it says sarah is from north hexham as per the 1901 census

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Hugh Sinclair
mentioned in the record of Robertus Sinclair
Name: Hugh Sinclair
Gender:
Male
Wife: Sarah Joannis Ord Sinclair
Son: Robertus Sinclair
Other information in the record of Robertus Sinclair
from England Births and Christenings
Name: Robertus Sinclair
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 21 Sep 1891
Christening Place: St Dominic, Newcastle-upon-Tyne, Northumberland, England
Birth Date: 19 May 1891
Father's Name: Hugh Sinclair
Mother's Name: Sarah Joannis Ord Sinclair
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C02202-8 , System Origin: England-EASy , GS Film number: 1936943 , Reference ID: p 332 n 1703

Marriages Dec 1879 (>99%)
CUMMINGS William Hexham 10b 418
Nicholson Margaret Ann Hexham 10b 418
Ord Sarah Jane Hexham 10b 418
STOKOE THOMAS Hexham 10b 418

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Melrose Street, All Saints, Newcastle upon Tyne, Northumberland, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Hugh Sinclair Head Married Male 37 1854 Tinsmith & Gas Fitter Scotland
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Sarah Sinclair Wife Married Female 36 1855 - Hexham, Northumberland, England
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Hugh Sinclair Son - Male 12 1879 Scholar Scotland
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John Sinclair Son - Male 10 1881 Scholar Scotland
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Wm Sinclair Son - Male 8 1883 Scholar Scotland

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Hall Gate Square, Hexham, Northumberland, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas Stokoe Head Married Male 24 1857 Cartman Northumberland, England
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Sarah Jane Stokoe Wife Married Female 27 1854 - Hexham, Northumberland, England

SAFC
Yes that is the marriage of Sarah Ord who married Thomas Stokoe.

The other one is a bit hard to understand. Hugh did have a brother Robert who was living with him at Perth before he came down to Newcastle