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I am trying to find a marriage between these two people. George was born in 1859 in Middlesex, England so states the transcription of the 1891 Census. The actual Census says London Bow. He is a Master Hairdresser.
He was married to Kate Lovell born 1868 in Hampstead, Middlesex. Her Father's name is George and Mother Eliza. Not sure of Mother's maiden name.
In 1891 they were living on Vernon Road.
I am assuming they would have been recently married as there are no children with them yet. A child Albert was born the next year followed by another, Charles the following year.
Any information would be useful. Thanks.

just for ref

Name: Albert George Hall
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 17 Jul 1891
Father's name: George Hall ( hairdresser)
Mother's name: Kate Hall
Parish or Poor Law Union: Old Ford St Paul
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Register Type: Parish Registers

the marriage should be on FreeBMD

presume you have her maiden name from one of the children s births certs

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
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First name(s) Kate
Last name Lovell
Relationship -
Marital status -
Gender Female
Age 3
Birth year 1868
Occupation -
Birth town -
Birth county Middlesex
Birth county as transcribed MIDDLESEX
Birth place England
House name -
Street Green Hill Soldiers Daughters Home
Parish Hampstead
Town -
City -
County London, Middlesex
Country England
Registration district Hampstead
Archive reference RG10
Piece number 191
Folio 60
Page 26
Record set 1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census


father is George servant a gardener born bedfordshire

mother Eliza servant gardeners wife born Ireland

for my ref

Name: Kate Hall
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: George Hall
Gender: Female
Where born: Hampstead, London, England
Civil Parish: Bow
Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen
Town: Bow and Bromley of the Tower Hamlets
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Poplar
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 315
Folio: 33
Page Number: 7
Household Members:
Name Age
George Hall 32
Kate Hall 23


I wonder if George wasn't free to marry? given the age gap he could have been married before?

same place in 1881

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Soldiers Daughters Home, Rosslyn Hill, Hampstead, London, England

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First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
George Lovell Head Married Male 63 1818 Gardener Blunham, Bedfordshire, England Transcription
Eliza Lovell Wife Married Female 55 1826 - Cork, Cork, Ireland Transcription
William Lovell Son Single Male 17 1864 Bricklayers Laborer Hampstead, Middlesex, England Transcription
Kate Lovell Daughter Single Female 13 1868 - Hampstead, Middlesex, England Transcription

Name: Kate Hall
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Hampstead, London, England
Civil Parish: Heston
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Brentford
Sub-registration district: Isleworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1185
Folio: 164
Page Number: 36
Household schedule number: 207
Household Members:
Name Age
Kate Hall 33 ( wife of hairdresser)
Albert Hall 9
Charles Hall 8
Edith Hall 4/12
Emma Chere 44
Paul Roloff 20

looks like dad had died by 1891

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Holly Place, Hampstead, London, England

Henry Titlow Head Married Male 40 1851 Bus Washer Walworth

Alice Titlow Wife Married Female 40 1851 - Hampstead, Middlesex, England

Alice Titlow Daughter - Female 14 1877 - Holloway, Middlesex, England

Charles Titlow Son - Male 12 1879 - Highbury, Middlesex, England

George Titlow Son - Male 9 1882 - Kingsland, Middlesex, England

Amelia Titlow Daughter - Female 8 1883 - Hampstead, Middlesex, England

Thomas Titlow Son - Male 6 1885 - Hampstead, Middlesex, England

Elizabeth Titlow Daughter - Female 3 1888 - Hampstead, Middlesex, England

Alfred Titlow Son - Male 1 1890 - Hampstead, Middlesex, England

Eliza Lovell Lodger Widow Female 63 1828 Living On Own Means -

???

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Oak House Jersey Road Spring Grove, Heston, Middlesex, England

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First name(s) Last name Relationship to household head Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
William Epathite Head Married Male 50 1861 Middx Heston Parish Lamplighter Transcription
Sarah Epathite Wife Wife Female 56 1855 Stanstead Essex - Transcription
Thomas Smith Lodger Single Male 35 1876 Chaffont St Peters Cowman Transcription
Walter Hadley Lodger Single Male 19 1892 Mile End Rd London Railway Porter Transcription
Edith Hall Adopted - Female 10 1901 Middx Parish of Heston School Transcription


Deaths Dec 1903
Hall Kate 36 Brentford 3a 50

Poss death for Kate in same area as 1901

Deaths Dec 1903 (>99%)

Hall Kate 36 Brentford 3a 50

Thanks for the quick replies. I had not thought that he may not be free to actually marry although Kate did change her name to Hall and the children are all named Hall and on my Grandmother's birth certificate, Edith Kate Hall 1900, she identifies herself as Kate Hall.

I may have to get the other two children's birth certificates, Albert & Charles, and check them out.

The other strange thing is that I can find George only on the one census, just after they were married, living together in 1891.

I wonder if my grandmother was actually legally adopted.

I've been looking for George on other census but can't spot him.

And he should be easy as I am sure there were not a lot of Master Hairdressers

Just gone through the 1881 but can't spot him in that :-S

There is a family rumour that George and his brother Jack were Toomy's at one time. The brother apparently was a "deserter of women" and George was supposed to have opted out of the Irish army, changed his name and came to England. But since I was told that both the boys had a surname of Hall, my thinking is that perhaps it was their father that changed his name and came from Ireland. Jack apparently had 2 children but I have not done anything on him yet at all. I suppose that should be my next step as it may give me more info on George.

Thanks again for your help.

This might be Albert George, not that it helps much

Name: Albert George Hall
Age in 1911: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1891
Birth Place: Bow, London, England
County/Island: Military
Country: England
Military Unit: 3rd Royal Fusiliers
Registration District Number: 641
ED, institution, or vessel: Mauritius and South Africa
Piece: 34976

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
2 Douglas Road Hounslow, Isleworth, Middlesex, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship to household head Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
George Hall Head Widower Male 52 1859 London Algate Hair Dresser
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Emily Toomey Sister In Law Married Female 42 1869 Essex Maplestead House Keeper
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Florence Toomeiy Niece - Female 9 1902 Essex Maplestead -
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Edith Toomey Niece - Female 7 1904 London Notting Hill

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
168, Kensington Park Road, Kensington, London, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Nicholas Luccs Head Single Male 70 1831 Tobacco Merchant -
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Emily Toomey Servant Married Female 32 1869 General Servant (Domestic) Essex, England
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John Toomey Visitor Married Male 35 1866 Omnibus Conductor Marylebone, Middlesex, England

Wow safc well spotted :-) how come I missed him in 1911? :-S :-|

London, England, Workhouse Admission and Discharge Records, 1659-1930

Admission Date: 1 Jun 1867
Discharge Date: 8 Jun 1867
Record Type: Admission and Discharge
Borough: Westminster
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Marylebone
Place: London, England
Title: Workhouse and Infirmary Registers, 1866-1868

John Toomey 36
Eliza Toomey 34
William Toomey 12
George Toomey 9
Amelia Toomey 6
Louisa Toomey 3
John Toomey 1