Genealogy Chat

Mystery solved - the Lincolnshire Marriage Index includes detail from the BTs as well as the registers. I had a speedy reply from the Lincs Family History Society by way of clarification. Thanks to those who contributed to this thread.

There are copies on micro film at Lincoln Archives of Marriage Licences aswell as the PR and BT and all can relate to the same person ,,,,this is where the extra information may have been got.

Julie posted the URL to the Parish Register yesterday. As we said, there is no mention of Elizabeth's status, or Henry's 'senior' or even 'the elder'.
That's what's puzzling us!

The transcripts are from the Bishops Transcripts,which appear in a book or card index,while the full image details is taken from the actual church register which at Lincoln Archives are on micro film.this is where the extra detail and information comes from.

just out of interest ...........


this is the marriage as shown on ancestry



England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973 about Henry Picks

Name: Henry Picks
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 31 Jul 1729
Marriage Place: Morton By Bourne,Lincoln,England
Spouse: Elizabeth Butler
FHL Film Number: 436038, 504577, 508019


the FHL Film Number information indicates these records were taken from the LDS site, familysearch.org

Yeah they probably have not transcribed it all just yet....could'nt see any baptisms either

Jax, I can only assume the FMP data doesn't go back that far. The Register scan of the page with the 1743/4 data happens to be quite good, there is also an even earlier burial entry 1713 for his father Henry Pick.

DetEcTive - good thought - that will probably have to wait until my next trip to the Lincoln records office. Pity I didn't start on this line a little earlier as I was at a Family History Fair at which the Lincolnshire Family History Society had a stand a month ago & could have asked them about these records. I might just try emailing them to see if they can shed any light on this.

FMP are only showing those two burials for the area.... No pre 1744 one

Thanks Jax, the burial before the 1744 marriage comes from the PR scans. I have yet to sort out which of the 2 burials you gives in Henry jnr & the other possibly relates to Henry Picks bapt 1758 father Thomas Picks. Haven't yet sorted out how the various other Picks in the same PRs are related. Don't we family history researchers like to dinf ourselves puzzles to unravel!

Just a thought - have you been able to find a record of the Banns for the marriages? As they tend to be hand written rather than a pro-forma, might there be something about Senior or Widow'er on those?

Two burials for Henry's
Last name First name Born Died Event Record set Location
PICKS HENRY — 1766 1766 National Burial Index for England & Wales Morton by Bourne, Lincolnshire, England
Transcription
PICKS HENRY — 1770 1770 National Burial Index for England & Wales Morton by Bourne, Lincolnshire, England


No ages on either

There is nothing on the image to indicate marital status or Snr/Jnr. Goodness knows where they got that from.

All it says is
July 31 Henry Pick & Elizabeth Buller.

Jax, I agree, the knotty issue is whether the 1729 marriage is Henry Pick senior, who would have been 49 yrs old, or his son who would have been 23 yrs old. The 1744 marriage is Henry jnr as Henry snr was buried a few months before, & there is a burial prior to the 1752 marriage that suggests it is another marriage for Henry jnr.

Wouldn't have thought they were all the same man
Last name First name Born Died Event Record set Location
PICKS HENRY — — 1703 Lincolnshire Marriage Index Lincolnshire, England
Transcription
PICKS HENRY — — 1717 Lincolnshire Marriage Index Lincolnshire, England
Transcription
PICKS HENRY — — 1729 Lincolnshire Marriage Index Lincolnshire, England
Transcription
(purchased)
PICKS HENRY — — 1744 Lincolnshire Marriage Index Lincolnshire, England
Transcription
PICKS HENRY — — 1752 Lincolnshire Marriage Index Lincolnshire, England

url below
http://www.lincstothepast.com/Records/RecordDisplayTranscript.aspx?oid=546369&iid=380835

name(s) HENRY
Last name PICKS
Marriage year 1729
Marriage day 31
Marriage month Jul
Parish Morton by Bourne
Spouse's first name(s) ELIZABETH
Spouse's last name BUTLER
Deanery Aveland & Ness
County Lincolnshire
Country England
Notes HP Senr/ EB wid
Record set Lincolnshire Marriage Index
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Record collection Marriages & divorces
Collections from Great Britain

Do you have the URL for the 1729 marriage please?

Willingly - Henry Picks married Elizabeth Buller on 31 Jul 1729 & Morton by Bourne Lincolnshire. That is all that appears on the General Register scan on "lincs", but the Lincolnshire Marriage Index on Genes states EB widow & HP snr. Just to add a little more - Henry seems to have married & been widowed several times - to Deborah Ridge in 1703 @ Burton Pedwardine, she died in 1710 @ Morton & the entry appears in the same general register. They had a son Henry - baptsim same register 1706. Henry then married Elizabeth Jackson 1713, she died 1715, followed by marriage to Elizabeth Scoles who died 1727 - again all in the same register. The 1729 marriage could therefore be either, Henry Snr marrying yet again, or a first marriage for Henry jnr. Elizabeth Picks nee Buller died 1737. There are 2 later marriages for Henry Picks in 1743/4 & 1752, but I am pretty sure these relate to Henry jnr as there is a burial for Henry snr in 1743/4.
Hence it is rather signifcant to determine where the additional 1729 marriage detail might have come from & how reliable or otherwise it might be.

PR - not the trees!!! :-D