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Hi everyone,

I have found an individual on the electors register for 1910 on Ancestry, cannot find their name afterwards, I would like to know who is living there on Census a year later, tried to find using address on FMP with no luck, is there anyway of finding who was living there for then or next few years.

Thanks

Hello Lesley, perhaps if you gave the name and address someone could look ......

You can also search by address on Ancestry on the 1911.

If you have an Ancestry subscription then start by looking at the census summary sheets for that town.

If there are several enumeration districts for that town then you need to find out which one. A description of the district is given in the first few sheets for that district.

It should then be possible to find the house in the summary sheets. That gives you a schedule number.

Double the schedule number add one and remember it.

Then find the correspinding image for the actual returns for that district. Go to the image denoted by the doubled schedule number and you should be at or near to the house you want.

Is it possible that the street has been renamed or houses renumbered?

Hi

I am looking for 15 Huntingdon Terrace, Langhedge House, Edmonton, Middx the person was an Ellen Gray. I have looked it up and nowadays seems
to be industrial units. Sorry I may have to be away from computer for the morning..

While searching just using "Langhedge" came upon this. Any good? Is it your Ellen?

1911

Name: Ellen Gray
Age in 1911: 60
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Civil Parish: Edmonton
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address: 42 Langhedge Lane, Edmonton, Upper Edmonton
Marital Status: Widowed
Registration district: Edmonton
Registration District Number: 132
Sub-registration district: Edmonton
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Household schedule number: 128
Piece: 7355
Household Members:
Name Age
Ellen Gray 60
Marion Gray 22
Annie Gray 19
George Petts 30
Amelia Petts 26
Marion Petts 3
Ellen Amelia Petts 5
Henry Huntigon 18
Aruther May 20

Hi Rootsgather,

This could be the correct one but not what I wanted hoping she was younger as am looking for birth mother of my father she is obvious
Y too old. The trouble is there are so many individuals of this name?

Hi Rootsgather,

This could be the correct one but not what I wanted hoping she was younger as am looking for birth mother of my father she is obviously
too old. The trouble is there are so many individuals of this name.

Wonder if she had a daughter Ellen?

She did indeed.

1901

Name: Ellen Gray
Age: 49
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Birmingham
Civil Parish: Tottenham
Ecclesiastical parish: All Hallows
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View image
Registration district: Edmonton
Sub-registration District: Tottenham
ED, institution, or vessel: 01
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1246
Folio: 17
Page Number: 26
Household schedule number: 154
Household Members:
Name Age
Ellen Gray 49
Ellen A Gray 19, b. Birmingham, occ. Hawker (age 17 on image)
Marion Gray 12
Anne Gray 8

Name: Marion Gray
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 21 Dec 1889
Father's Name: William Gray
Mother's name: Ellen Gray
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Giles without Cripplegate
Borough: City of London
Register Type: Parish Registers


1891

Name: Ellen Gray
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William Gray
Gender: Female
Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Civil Parish: St Luke
Ecclesiastical parish: St Marks
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View image
Registration district: Holborn
Sub-registration district: Finsbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 234
Folio: 59
Page Number: 21
Household Members:
Name Age
William Gray 38, Traveller (Hawker), b. Scotland
Ellen Gray 35
Amelia Gray 7, b. Birmingham
Marion Gray 1

So looks like daughter Ellen is actually the Amela married for 5 years to George Petts in 1911. So back to the drawing board !!

Do you want to say what information you have on you Dad to see if anyone can help please? Sometimes a fresh pair of eyes can help.

Remember too, that it was 1918 before women over 30 could vote and 1928 before women over 21 could vote.

It seems highly possible from the census above that the younger Ellen Gray being sought is indeed connected. On the 1891 census she's recorded as Amelia so we can surmise her full name was Ellen Amelia

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Featherstone Street, St Luke, Holborn, London, England

Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Gray Head Married Male 38 1853 Traveller Hawker Scotland
Ellen Gray Wife Married Female 35 1856 - Birmingham, Warwickshire
Amelia Gray Daughter - Female 7 1884 - Birmingham, Warwickshire
Marian Gray Daughter - Female 1 1890 - Middlesex, England

Oops! Should have refreshed the screen before posting - does seem to rule her out.

No problem MC.

I think it unlikely that the baby's Mum would be on the ERs anyway. Not impossible, just unlikely.

Some women were on the electoral roll long before 1918. It was general elections they could not vote in. There werte also property requirements to be fulfilled before being on the roll.

I can see up to 13 Huntingdon Terrace in 1911, but no sign of 15.

Hi everyone, thanks for you help which I did not expect. My father Thomas Gray born 1912 to an Ellen Gray no age of her or father mentioned, died whenI was a child. mother would not discuss him, managed to find " adopted" parents nothing in writing
His other names were Johnstone and Dunbar, at the time there was a Dr Gladys Dunbar qualified 1908 Who may have help with adoption Johnstone may have been father's name, nothing further known

Did it give an occupation for Ellen please?

Only Confectioner,s assistant which is a usual occupation

I see your tree on Ancestry. I am not sure that Catherine Connor would necessary have been living at the address your Thomas was born. Could she have been the owner of the property and that would be why she was on the E R for that address? The property may have been let out?

I think the Catherine Connor was a nurse, I spoke to someone who was an expert on the area and he said sometimes midwives rented a property where unmarried mothers could come and give birth to their child, really I don't think I will ever know the truth and maybe my parents did not know much either as not much was discussed with children then.