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I have found a birth on Lancs bmd for Florence LANE. in Worsley district. No mother's maiden name is given.
There does not seem to be a matching birth on Freebmd.

Where can I look for a baptism to find her possible parents, please?
She MIGHT be the Florence in West Ham in 1881?

Helping a friend with her tree.......

Gwyn

Gwyn, might this be her?

How did you come by her in the first place?


1881 England Census
Name: Florence Lane
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Relationship to Head: Daughter
Father: Silas Lane
Mother: Eliza Ann Lane
Gender: Female
Where born: Worsley, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Worsley
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 161 Manchester Rd

Registration district: Barton Upon Irwell
Sub-registration district: Worsley

Silas Lane 27
Eliza Ann Lane 26
Lillian Lane 3
Florence Lane 2
John Lane

?

Name: Florence Lane
Registration Year: 1878
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: Barton
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8c
Page: 624

Is this the 1881 you mention? Please tell us what you DO know about her.

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
61, Peter Street, West Ham, Essex, England
Print household transcription
Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Mary Lane Daughter Head Widow Female 31 1850 No Occupation Deptford, Kent, England
Image Transcription
Mary Lane Daughter Single Female 4 1877 Scholar Deptford, Kent, England
Image Transcription
Florence Lane Daughter Single Female 2 1879 - Manchester, Lancashire, England


There is also Mary Bellchamber, 58 widow and John Bellchamber, 27 son living in the same house. Mary Lane 31 is her daughter. Mary Bellchamber is head of household.


A tree on ancestry has this as her parents.


Henry Lane
1847 – 1880

Mary Ann E Belchamber
1849 –

If looking for above, I assume it is daughter of Henry Lane and Mary Ann Belchamber you are seeking, as in several Ancestry trees??

Thank you for your posts.

I see that brummiejan has a good possible for the one I found, ie.parents Silas and Eliza. :-(

My friend is researching the family in West Ham and remarked that she hadn't found a birth for Florence.
I believe these to be her parents.

Marriages Sep 1876
Lane Henry Shoreditch 1c 386
Mayer Mary Ann E Shoreditch 1c 386

Mary Ann had previously been married to Thomas MAYER

Marriages Sep 1871
BELCHAMBER Mary Ann E Stepney 1c 991
MAYER Thomas Stepney 1c 991

Mary Ann was b. 1849 in Deptford, the daughter of John BELCHAMBER and Mary Ann (COPPLE)

Gwyn

Re:
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1878
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
LANE Florence Worsley Salford WOR/41/21

jan's hit is the matching GRO index record - here's how to tell:

Find jan's hit on FreeBMD:
Births Sep 1878 (>99%)
LANE Florence Barton 8c 624

then click on the page # link "624" tp see the other names with the 624 ref.

Here they are - I've appended the matching LancsBMD ref
Births Sep 1878 (>99%)
Burtonwood Mary Jane Barton 8c 624 WOR/41/22
Gillingham Thomas Henry Barton 8c 624 WOR/41/23
Gleave Amelia Florence Barton 8c 624 WOR/41/22
Hall Thomas Barton 8c 624 WOR/41/22
JONES Ruth Adeline M Barton 8c 624 WOR/41/21
LANE Florence Barton 8c 624 WOR/41/21
Loder George Barton 8c 624 WOR/41/22
TONGE Ellen Barton 8c 624 WOR/41/23
Urmson William Barton 8c 624 WOR/41/21
Wilkinson Alfred Barton 8c 624 WOR/41/22


The 3rd item in a local ref is either an entry # or a page #.
Entry #s are nearly always used for marrs - that way one can match up spouses, even pre-1912. A local register has 500 entries - 2 per page for marrs, and 5 per page for Bs & Ds.. One can see from the adjacency of the local refs that the local hit for Flo Lane fits right in here.

[It's not really necessary to check all the other 9 names to feel comfortable that you've matched the local & GRO refs]

NB LancsBMD indexes by year of birth, not registration, so it would be possible for a kid to be born at Xmas 1878, but not rego'ed until the new year and thus appear in the GRO index under the quarter ending in Mar 1879.

I think the 1881 census posted by Jan is the right one for the Florence birth - all 3 of those children were registered in Worsley sub-district - so highly unlikely to be the one you are looking for.

Marriages Mar 1877 (>99%)
BYRON Eliza Ann Barton 8c 693
LANE Silas Barton On Irwell 8c 693

Lancashire baptisms are on the LancsOPC site

If your friend is descended from Florence, she should get a copy of the girl's marriage cert, then she'll have the father's name, if it was known

When and who did Florence marry?

Maryb

Thank you for your replies.
I will phone my friend tomorrow.

I think though that she was trying to find Florence's birth registration, which by that date should have taken place.
She may well have the marriage cert. -She has thousands of certs., literally.
I will post when I've spoken to her.

Gwyn

Finding the birth will be easier with concrete info about her marriage. At least that will give some idea of when she was born

It would seem that friend does not have later information about Florence, after 1881.

She may have gone to New Zealand, which is where her mother Mary LANE was found mentioned in a newspaper in relation of a court case, when she took action against her boss? involved in a waterproof coat company.

The LANEs are a side shoot on friend's tree and she has no access to emmigration records, which are likely to be between 1881 and 1891.

Gwyn

So is there no concrete reason for thinking that the child on the 1881 census is the one who is distantly connected to your friend, other than the coincidence of her mother's name?

Or am I misinterpreting?

What makes your friend think Florence was born around 1878?

Which LANE is definitely known to be a relly?

Emigration records on line are only from 1890, and there isn't one to New Zealand for a Florence Lane before 1910

Of course, to find out the child's mother's maiden name, purchasing the birth cert is the answer, but you don't need me to tell you that....LOL!

...to clarify.......

My friend knows that the family in 1881 census is connected. She has birth and baptism and other family information about Mary Ann, the mother born BELCHAMBER in 1849.
Mary Ann's mother, -also Mary Ann is my friend's direct ancestor.

What she can't find is a birth for Florence in the GRO index.

As Florence is stated to have been born in Manchester, I was looking on Lancs.bmd to see if a birth was recorded, which hadn't made it onto the GRO master index.

Gwyn

http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast

(a search on above, mary lane waterproof brings a few hits)

A TRADE DISPUTE.
New Zealand Herald, Volume XXIX, Issue 8944, 30 July 1892, Page 3

(mentions Mary going July 1889, possible below, but no name of Ship!)


New Zealand, Archives New Zealand, Passenger Lists, 1839-1973

https://familysearch.org/search/collection/1609792

Name: M A Lane
Event Type: Immigration
Event Date: 1889
Event Place: Wellington (other ports also listed), New Zealand
Gender: Female
Age: 34
Marital Status: Married
Nationality: England
Occupation: labr
Birth Year (Estimated): 1855
Departure Port: London
Departure Place: London
Arrival Port: Wellington (other ports also listed)
Arrival Place: Wellington (other ports also listed)
Digital Folder Number: 004415946 , Image Number: 00156


http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~shipstonz/wellington4.html

(SHIPS TO NEW ZEALAND Between 1883 and 1890)

Chris :)

http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Belchamber-23

(looks to relate)


http://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/

(in case any Belchamber relate on above!)


http://nzetc.victoria.ac.nz/tm/scholarly/tei-Cyc02Cycl-t1-body1-d1-d43-d2.html

(above interesting, Belchamber And CO.)


https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/search/

(if any use)

When did Mr LANE die?

Which is more likely to be the one on the census posted by Jan - as both the older and younger siblings were registered in same district according to Lancsbmd.

Added: I see the birth suggested has now been deleted....