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Sadly I have no idea whether either of the two ministers from Scotland in the above 1851/1861 Census' belong to me. The names of the wives don't seem right for the family of Fishers, but this is a guess on my part. Thank you.

Regards

Regarding the 1841 Census at Broomley, I checked my Scottish family sadly no Angus'.

Thank you for all your hard work regarding the Fishers.

Regards Ann

Not sure it helps but searching William Fisher/ minister there are these on 1851 and 1861 census
1851
Name:Revd William Fisher
Age:49
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1802
Relationship:Head
Spouse's Name:Jean Fisher
Gender:Male
Where born:Perth
Parish Number:241
Civil Parish: Strichen
Town:Village of Leeds
County:Aberdeenshire
Address: 1st West Street
Occupation: Minister United Presbyterian

Name:Jean Fisher
Age:40
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1811
Relationship:Wife
Spouse's Name William Fisher
Gender:Female
Where born:North Leith, Midlothian

1861
William Fisher
Age:59
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1802
Relationship:Head
Gender:Male
Where born: Perth, Perthshire
Registration Number:241
Registration district:Strichen
Civil Parish:Strichen
County:Aberdeenshire
Address: Village Of New Leeds
Occupation: Minister Of United Presbyterian Church

Agnes Fisher
Age:54
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1807

Relationship:Sister
Gender:Female
Where born:Perth, Perthshire
Registration Number:241
Registration district:Strichen
Civil Parish:Strichen
County: Aberdeenshire
Address:Village Of New Leeds
Occupation:Ministers Sister

Name
William Fisher 59
Agnes Fisher 54
Christian Fisher 43 -sister
Robert Fisher 41 -brother
Christian McPherson 23 -Domestic Servant

Drat!! Here is that 1841 though. The Angus' are a different household.

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription

Household Members
First Name Last Name Gender Age Year Of Birth Birth Place
MARY ANGUS Female 65 1776 NORTHUMBERLAND
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HANNAH ANGUS Female 30 1811 NORTHUMBERLAND
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SARAH ANGUS Female 30 1811 NORTHUMBERLAND
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MARY ANGUS Female 5 1836 NORTHUMBERLAND
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JOHN ANGUS Male 25 1816 NORTHUMBERLAND
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HENRY ANGUS Male 20 1821 NORTHUMBERLAND
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WILLIAM FISHER Male 45 1796 -
Dissenting Minister
WILLIAM BELL Male 20 1821 NORTHUMBERLAND
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THOMAS SCOTT Male 15 1826 -
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JOHN JOHNSON Male 15 1826 NORTHUMBERLAND
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ELIZABETH PROUD Female 20 1821 -
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ELIZABETH HALL Female 15 1826 NORTHUMBERLAND

First Name WILLIAM
Last Name FISHER
Gender Male
Age 45
Year Of Birth 1796
Occupation -
House Number -
House Name -
Street BROOMLEY
Parish ST PETER
City -
Town BROOMLEY
Registration District HEXHAM UNION
County Northumberland

And another:

The christening date for Hannah Dodds appears interesting I have a date of birth around 1806 at Hollon? Never found anything about Mary so many thanks for that.

Regards

Back to the drawing board!
PM received from Ann:

William Fisher is alive in 1858 on the Marriage Certificate of John Fisher and Sarah Patterson stating he is a Minister of the Gospel, so don't think Catherine is the right wife for William.

Thomas Arkley who married Hannah Dodds 23 May 1829, Shotley was born in Broomley.

In the Census for 1841 for Broomley, St Peters Bywell there is a William Fisher described as a Dissenting Minister. Also very familiar names of Arkley/Surtees/and Smart at Broomley. Never progressed any further with William Fisher.

Although I could not enter the Arkleys into my Family Tree I did trace the family from the 1841 Census to 1891. Also found them in a Monumental Inscription of Bywell St Peter.

Regards

??? This Catherine is with this family but is seperate from them. She is a F S. This is the same area as Catherine Fisher and John Dodd.

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Print household transcription
Household Members
First Name Last Name Gender Age Year Of Birth Birth Place
JAMES DODD Male 25 1816 NORTHUMBERLAND
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MARGRET DODD Female 20 1821 NORTHUMBERLAND
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BARBERY DODD Female 2 1839 NORTHUMBERLAND
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CATHERINE DODD Female 1 1840 NORTHUMBERLAND
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JANE DODD Female 0 1841 NORTHUMBERLAND
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>>CATHERINE DODD Female 7 1834 f s NORTHUMBERLAND

First Name CATHERINE
Last Name DODD
Gender Female
Age 7
Year Of Birth 1834
Occupation -
House Number -
House Name -
Street GREEN HAUGH
Parish SIMONBURN
City -
Town SIMONBURN
Registration District THE HEXHAM UNION
County Northumberland
Country ENGLAND
Birth County NORTHUMBERLAND
Archive Reference HO107
Schedule 872
Piece Number 842
Folio 15
Page 3


Ancestry version.


1841 England Census about Catherine Dodd
Name: Catherine Dodd
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834
Gender: Female
Where born: Northumberland, England

Civil Parish: Simonburn
Hundred: Tindale (North West Division)
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

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Registration district: Hexham
Sub-registration district: Chollerton
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 842
Book: 21
Folio: 15
Page Number: 3
Household Members:
Name Age
Catherine Dodd 7

Sounds like you've got something there ArgyllGran.

My, you are like a dog with a bone, never giving up. It certainly seems very plausable. The problem is finding definitive proof. :-D :-D :-D

There was also a daughter Catherine 16 in 1851, not seeing her in 1841.

I also wonder why John is Dodd and not Fisher in 1841 when his parents were married in 1811? Perhaps the enumerator just didn't add his surname. :-S

Maybe Williams death?? After daughter Catharine's birth in 1835, but before 1841 census:


England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915 about William Fisher
Name: William Fisher
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1837
Registration district: Carlisle
Inferred County: Cumberland
Volume: 25
Page: 38

Catharine & William's marriage:


William Fisher, "England Marriages, 1538–1973 "
Name: William Fisher
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Age:
Spouse's Name: Catharine Dodd
Spouse's Birth Date:
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Age:
Event Date: 01 Jul 1811
Event Place: Saint Mary,Carlisle,Cumberland,England
Father's Name:
Mother's Name:
Spouse's Father's Name:
Spouse's Mother's Name:
Race:
Marital Status:
Previous Wife's Name:
Spouse's Race:
Spouse's Marital Status:
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M00486-2
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 252813, 252814, 252815, 252816

Can these be your William Fisher and Catharine??

"England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975"
Name: Mary Fisher
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 05 Apr 1813
Christening Place: ANNETWELL CHAPEL-INDEPENDENT,CARLISLE,CUMBERLAND,ENGLAND
Birth Date: 29 Mar 1813
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Wm. Fisher
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Cathrine Dodd
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C06434-1
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 0590675 (RG4 685)

Well, maybe not - William's a print cutter, not a minister of religion. Perhaps he changed later, or maybe John made it up to impress Sarah.

I wonder - just a long shot, following on the 1841 with Catharine Fisher and John Dodd. On the 1841 image, Catharine's age has been overwritten, and could well be 50, rather than 56.


1851 England Census about John Fisher
Name: John Fisher
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Relation: Son
Mother's name: Catharine Fisher
Gender: Male
Where born: Carlisle, Cumberland, England

Civil Parish: Wolsingham
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Registration district: Weardale
Sub-registration district: St John
ED, institution, or vessel: 1c
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 22
Piece: 2388
Folio: 402
Page Number: 6
Household Members:
Name Age
Catharine Fisher 60 - widow
John Fisher 20 - iron miner
Catharine Fisher 16

He would then be in the right area for meeting and marrying Sarah in North Shields in 1858.

Maybe Hannah and her witness Mary??:

Hannah Dodd
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 13 December 1807 Hexham, Northumberland, England
residence: Hexham, Northumberland, England
father: Stephen Dodd


Mary Dodd
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
birth: 16 June 1804
christening: 11 November 1804 HEXHAM,NORTHUMBERLAND,ENGLAND
father: Stephen Dodd


Also:

England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 about Jane Dodd
Name: Jane Dodd
Gender: Female
Birth Date: May 1802
Baptism Date: 11 Nov 1804
Baptism Place: Hexham,Northumberland,England
Father: Stephen Dodd
FHL Film Number: 94998

More detailed transcript for the Dodd/Arkley marriage

County Northumberland
Place Shotley
Church St Andrew & St John Bt
RegisterNumber 66
MarriageDate 23 May 1829
GroomForename Thomas
GroomSurname ARKLEY
GroomAge -
GroomParish Bywell St Peter
GroomCondition Bachelor
GroomOccupation -
BrideForename Hannah
BrideSurname DODD
BrideAge -
BrideParish This Parish
WitnessOneForename William
WitnessOneSurname ARKLEY
WitnessTwoForename Mary
WitnessTwoSurname DODD
Notes She signs X
FileNumber 28923

http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl

Hannah Dodd, mother of Thomas Arkley, the marriage witness:


England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973 about Hannah Dodd
Name: Hannah Dodd
Gender: Female
Marriage Date: 23 May 1829
Marriage Place: Shotley,Northumberland,England
Spouse: Thomas Arkley
FHL Film Number: 252572, 95027

However, there's no record of a John Dodd born in Scotland around the right time, and although there are a few John Fishers with mother's name Catherine, none of the fathers is William.

Also no marriage between a Dodd and a Fisher - or variation of spelling.
(Only a Margaret Dods and a Thomas Fisher in 1827, so not relevant.)

Eureka??


1841 England Census about John Dodd
Name: John Dodd
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Gender: Male
Where born: Scotland

Civil Parish: Chollerton
Hundred: Tindale (North East Division)
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

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Registration district: Hexham
Sub-registration district: Cholleston
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 838
Book: 13
Folio: 6
Page Number: 6
Household Members:
Name Age
Catharine Fisher 56 - Ag Lab, not born in county
John Dodd 10

"Sarah is always described as being born in Seghill."

Except 1891, when the whole family are listed on the image as born in Bedlington.

Related thread:

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1327999

Just reposting what you have on ancestry.

Looking for information on John Fisher born about 1832, his father was William Fisher. John married a Sarah Patterson on 17 May 1858, North Shields.

On the marriage certificate John is described as a pitman while his father William, a Minister of the Gospel. The two witnesses are Thomas Smart Surtees and Thomas Arkley.

A witness at the marriage was Thomas Arkley whose mother was a Hannah Dodds.

1861 - Scotland - Living in Whitworth NBL
1871 - NBL - Living in Tudhoe
1881 - Sarah described as a widow
1891 - NBL - Living in Westoe
1901 - Carlisle - Living in Murton
Sarah is always described as being born in Seghill.