Genealogy Chat

:) Chris, im just getting so surprised with such a easy name that isnt so common, there is certainly enough of them! ive seen this couple about but he is the wrong year. My Abraham would only be 10 at this marriage date. Even if the years were out by 2-3 dosnt make him old enough to marry. But i think this guy might belong to Archies family (his ancestor is Abraham 1787/9) Mine is Abraham 1777. who replaced Abraham 1775 when he died..... :) lol.....I am really leaning to the Gard line. the more i dwell on it, in 1841 census all was correct..... then in 1851 they were Gard, and kept going Gard till death.
I ve seen name changing before in my tree, and i realise its the way they spoke to the census collector, Freer has been Frear, Ferrer, and Free.... Cheney well i know one american family changed it to Chainey cause no one would say it right! Another line changed spelling cause they were in a feud.
Im just glad they didnt get these familys to fill in their own forms, or we would have a lot of X familys.....lol. can you imagine us all then?lol im waiting to here back from the Gard line on ancestry.
thanks for putting in where you find the info.
Marg :)

County Somerset
Place Curry Mallet
Church All Saints
RegisterNumber 310
MarriageDate 09 Sep 1824
GroomForename Abraham
GroomSurname YARD
GroomAge
GroomParish Curland
GroomCondition Bachelor
GroomOccupation
GroomAbode
BrideForename Mary
BrideSurname JEWELL
BrideAge
BrideParish Curland
BrideCondition Spinster
BrideOccupation
BrideAbode
GroomFatherForename
GroomFatherSurname
GroomFatherOccupation
BrideFatherForename
BrideFatherSurname
BrideFatherOccupation
WitnessOneForename Joseph
WitnessOneSurname JEWELL
WitnessTwoForename Ann
WitnessTwoSurname JEWELL

(another one also)

Chris :)

http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl

the son Alfred who is 19, has gone back to Yard in 1881 census. however every other member of this census form stayed Gard.
marg

Abraham Gard
Age: 49
Estimated birth year: 1812
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Gard
Gender: Male
Where born: Bridgwater, Somerset, England
Civil Parish: Bridgwater
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Bridgwater
Sub-registration district: Bridgwater
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 293
Piece: 1624
Folio: 45
Page Number: 46
Household Members:
Name Age
Abraham Gard 49
Mary Gard 47
Caroline Gard 21
Alfred Gard 19
John Gard 16
Abraham Gard 13
Elizabeth Gard 11
Mary J Gard 8
Robert Gard 5
George Gard 2
Eliza J Gard 1

and thinking this could be a huge possiblilty..... lots of this line in canada...

Thanks :)
Both Charlotte and her husband were living with Abraham at some point.
Charlotte was the witness to Abrahams death. So she didnt last long after him.
And it looks like Abraham from the 1848 death dosnt belong to anyone, so maybe i can claim him.... Achie confirmed to me hes not his line at all.

I did find he was living with a Peter Yard 60, and Mary Yard 20, when he was 15. in Wales. im asuming some sort of relative.

Thanks all for you help. i love this brainstorming idea. you win hands down against ancestry! with personalising help. :)

The 1861 Census was taken on the night of Sunday 7th April 1861

(above from google search)

The other Abraham 1848 was a Soldier, of 43rd Regt. (as on posting!)

Chris :)

1861
YARD, Abraham Head Widower M 83 1778 Agricultural Labourer
Staple Fitzpaine, Somerset
BOURN, Charlotte Boarder Widow F 73 1788 Needle Woman
Baltonsborough, Somerset
YARD, Elizabeth Visitor Unmarried F 35 1826 Dairy Maid
Middlezoy, Somerset
Piece: 1623
Folio: 16
Page: 2
Registration District: Bridgwater
Civil Parish: Middlezoy
Municipal Borough:
Address: Middlezoy Street, Middlezoy
County: Somersetshire

(Charlotte from above)

Burial
County Somerset
Place Middlezoy
Church Holy Cross
RegisterNumber
BurialDate 25 May 1862
Forename Charlotte
Relationship
Rel1MaleForename
Rel1FemaleForename
Rel1Surname
Surname BOWN
Age 75
Abode Middlezoy

the first Abraham is my gggrandfather, who died middlezoy but his certificate is different to what online details are, out by a year... error in certificate ive decided.

this 2nd one looks hopeful. would somerset folk go there for work?

im going to apply for the death cert to see if that tells me anything. but somehow i doubt it, as if they get it wrong in 1862, they arnt going to have it right in 1848.

thank you folk :)

Chris Ho, the top Abraham is my ggg grandpa. and i have his death cert and it has same date and month but 1861 ! so there is a transcribing error? however if the census was after march he would not be in the 1861 census...... now im thinking... error is in the certificate! i think census are usually april to june in england?

this bottom abraham looks promising. for my missing man, as long as he dosnt belong to the other line of abraham yard in taunton. will check with Archie Needs, and see if he has this one.
thank you so much :)

Joiner index was the site i was looking at few monthas ago, i just looked for rachel yard, prior to 1842 and she hasnt married. so the Bond connection cant be her.
thanks for brainstorming to me..... :)

yes i think so. im sure if i go through my credit card statements i will find who charged me....
well happy to loose Abraham Hardy.... :)
found someone on ancestry "Harle Family tree" who has just made a mockery of Mary Diment though,, has her having children to 3 husbands, 2 at the same time,
claims she is the daughter of Samuel cavill, and that she married isaac Dyment in 1799. i will work on that during the week, but im doubtfull.....
to get right info is hard somedays.
more i think about Rachel bond i dont think shes mine. but im really zonked now.
thanks all. :)

Hello Marg, Lancaster is a long way from Somerset so fairly unlikely.

Sister would be the relationship not impossible that it could be sister-in-law.

Most importantly, you say "i was useing a brilliant site a few months ago that gave you the info in 5 seconds for a cost of 4 pound, but stupid me dosnt recall the name of the site."

Was this a site with parish records?

Deaths Mar 1862 (>99%)
---------------------------------------------------
YARD Abraham Bridgwater 5c 321

Burial
County Somerset
Place Middlezoy
Church Holy Cross
RegisterNumber
BurialDate 16 Mar 1862
Forename Abraham
Relationship
Rel1MaleForename
Rel1FemaleForename
Rel1Surname
Surname YARD
Age 84
Abode Middlezoy

(from below link, free to use)

http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl

Chris :)


Deaths Mar 1848 (>99%)
-------------------------------------------------
Yard Abraham Newport M 26 113

(no idea if he fits anywhere!)

Burial
Last name:Yard
First Name:Abraham (Private of 43rd Regt.)
County:Monmouthshire
Place / Parish:Newport, St Woolos
Age:28
Burial Year:1848
Burial Month:Mar
Burial Day:13
Record source:Monmouthshire Burials - Transcripts
Data provider:Welsh Archive Services / Gwasanaethau Archifau Cymru
(abode, Barracks)

thank you.
Sister Dinah Walks, would that be a nun? or a sister, i dont have a sister Dinah. for this family. And the birth year of Dinah would put it 3 years before marraige. unless its a sister in law, and she just stated it as that in the census.
i will have a look during the week. (and i did think her husband may have been a William, and there were several william bonds that died before 1851, maybe i should buy Janes death cert.
I did look for deaths for Martha and John, but 2 many for me to be convinced of which one to get, i did wonder if they migrated and tried that alternative also, but nothing has said "pick me pick me" yet..... i did find a Abraham Hardy transported to Tasmania in 1842-43, and die in 1848, and wondered if they had the sir name wrong. tried at Lancaster Azzises, (not sure how far that is from Somerset) If he died before 1841, where do i look? Taunton? Ricochet, i dont know how you found them in 1861, i seemed to loose them!
thanks again
marg

the same rachel is on 1861 with a husband called Wiiliam

Jane's death cert would probably include her father's name.

Abarahm baptized 1813 could have died before 1841

So Reggie found the right Abraham in 1851, with his second post for the year

have you looked for a death for Martha? Or for her husband?

where was Rachel in 1890, when you say she was a thief, and how old was she

Could this be her with the age slightly wrong



Name: Rachael Bond
Age (Original): 66
Gender: Female
Birth Year: 1815
Birthplace: Bridgwater, Somerset, England
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Marital Status: Widow
Occupation: Laundress
Address: Denners Bldgs St Mary St
Event Place: Bridgwater, Somersetshire, England
Disability:
Record Type: Household
GS Film number: 1341571
Affiliate Publication Number: RG11
Piece/Folio: 2374 / 27
Page Number: 5
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Head Rachael Bond F 66 Bridgwater, Somerset, England
Sister Dinah Walks F 77 Bridgwater, Somerset, England
Boarder Isaac Palfrey M 57 Charlinch, Somerset, England

Person: YARD, Abraham Address: Middlezoy

YARD, Abraham Head Widower M 73 1778 Pauper Ag Lab
Staplegrove, Somerset VIEW
BOWN, Thomas Lodger Married M 75 1776 Pauper Agricultural Lab
Middlezoy, Somerset VIEW
BOWN, Charlotte Lodger Married F 62 1789 Pauper Tailoress
Baltonsborough, Somerset
above is the right family,
there are about 5 Abraham Yard/e im looking for death or marriage of Abraham bap14 nov 1813 in Milverton. Somerset.
ive checked the somerset online records, Ancestry, family search.org, and im not gaining anymore knowledge.

And Chris Ho, has the right Norton line im looking for. where did they get to?
i have the marriage cert coming, snail mail from england. i was useing a brilliant site a few months ago that gave you the info in 5 seconds for a cost of 4pound, but stupid me dosnt recall the name of the site.

Rachel Bond was a theif by 1890, but not sure if its the same girl, although i do believe Rachel yarde married Bond abt 1836, (no proof) but a Jane is born 1837 and in the 1841 census, but dies in 1842. i found no other children. and Rachel bond isnt in the 1851 census. to keep following her.

as the the query above that wanted to know how do i know these kids belong to my Abraham and Mary Yard, Well david north did a search for me, with parents Abraham and Mary and these 3 extras turned up, ive turned up another one today, John 1820, (there is a John 1829) so i asume John 1820 dies,
I believe him, because for Abraham and Mary to marry in 1809 in stoke st mary, and not have children by 1818 i thought very off.
Im wanting to find more decendants to Abraham and Mary, as so far there is only Thomas (my line) and Isaac having decendants, out of 11 children.
Marys death cert did not name parents. for the Dyment/Diment line.
anything for me to chase and learn more is welcome by me.
thank you,

:-)

County Somerset
Place Aller
Church St Andrew Pr
RegisterNumber 13
MarriageDate 28 Mar 1842
GroomForename John
GroomSurname NORTON
GroomAge
GroomParish
GroomCondition Bachelor
GroomOccupation Labourer
GroomAbode Aller
BrideForename Martha
BrideSurname YARDE
BrideAge
BrideParish
BrideCondition Spinster
BrideOccupation Servant
BrideAbode Othery
GroomFatherForename William
GroomFatherSurname NORTON
GroomFatherOccupation Labourer
BrideFatherForename Abraham
BrideFatherSurname YARDE
BrideFatherOccupation Labourer
WitnessOneForename Christopher
WitnessOneSurname NORTON
WitnessTwoForename Mary
WitnessTwoSurname *ALLABY
Notes He signs X She signs X

http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl

Chris :)

http://wsom-opc.org.uk/

(above also useful)


County Somerset
Place Stoke St Mary
Church St Mary
RegisterNumber
MarriageDate 01 May 1809
GroomForename Abraham
GroomSurname YARD
GroomAge
GroomParish
GroomCondition
GroomOccupation
GroomAbode
BrideForename Mary
BrideSurname DIMANT

Pallot's Marriage Index for England: 1780 - 1837
Name:Abraham Yard
Spouse:Mary Dimant
Marriage Date:1809
Parish:Stoke St Mary Somerset

It would be helpful if the poster could tell us how he/she got back to these people...............factual info on which to base searches is vital

1845 [possible death
maddie

Maddie

What type of recordis the one for Rachel?

Name: NORTON, John

Registration district: [?] Langport

County: Somerset

Year of registration: 1842

Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar

Spouse's last name Not available before 1912

Volume no: [?] 10

Page no: [?] 601
MarriageFinder™: [?] John Norton married one of the following people Record
COLLINGS, Jane VIEW
YARDE, Martha VIEW
YARDER, Martha

edit :

showing missing person
Name: John Norton
Event Type: Marriage
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration Year: 1842
Registration District: Langport
County: Somerset
Event Place: Langport, Somerset, England
Spouse Name (available after 1911):
Volume: 10
Page: 601
Line Number: 104
John Norton probably married one of the following people
Name: Jane Collings
Name: Joseph Farrow
Name: Martha Yarde
Name: Martha Yarder