Genealogy Chat

Hi everyone.
Mystery solved. I contacted the lady who 2 yrs ago said that John Bagshaw Pick was NOT my relation. I got a message yesterday and she now agrees that our grandparents WERE related. This is why I asked for help. It just didn't add up! As all your research has shown - my relation is in fact John Bagshaw Pick! Much of the mis-information was caused by this confusion and I can see now that the birth date of the other John B was wrong on my tree.
It's so easy to get your wires crossed in this game! I'm just glad i'm not called Smith!!! Thanks for all your help it's really appreciated. You are all brilliant! :-)

I'm the same Roy. There is definitely only one birth registered in Chapel en le Frith in 1923, not two. I wonder where John got that information from.

Kath. x

I'm totaly confused by John's response to what has been found, Thats why i posted the details for where a Buxton birth would have been registered.

Roy

I see now where I went wrong. I thought you knew that "your" John B. Pick did actually marry Gene Atkinson. I assume that you just thought that this was so.

As Roy says, a birth in Buxton at that time would be registered in Chapel en le Frith.

The only thing I don't understand is that you say there were two John B. Picks born in 1923 but I can only see one on the birth index for that year??

Kath. x

As you can see the Civil Parish of Buxton was in Chapel En le frith registration district untill 1974

CHAPEL EN LE FRITH REGISTRATION DISTRICT
Registration County : Derbyshire.
Created : 20.1.1838 (out of High Peak registration district).
Abolished : 1.4.1974 (to become part of High Peak registration district).
Sub-districts : Buxton, Chapel en le Frith, Hayfield.
GRO volumes : XIX (1838–51), 7b (1852–1946), 10A (1946–74).
Registers currently held at : High Peak.

http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/chapel-en-le-frith.html

Roy

Well the John b Pick born Chapel en le Firth mum nee Potter certainly fits in with Eleanor Potter parents William Potter and Susanah Bagshaw.

Chapel En le firth would possibly be the registration district for Buxton.

I think it is the same John B Pick,but that's only my opinion.

Do you have the marriage certificate for your John B and Gene?? if so what was his occupation.

Someone on here has Mildred and John Bagshaw Pick she also has Samuel Pick 1887 Horsforth.

Maryb.

Hi again friends!
I discovered that Kathleen's lead on John B. Pick to Scotland is sadly not the correct one. It did, however take me on an exciting search through Wikipedia because I traced that particular John B. Pick to be none other than John Barclay Pick, a famous writer of historical Scottish fiction, a poet and a biographer of the Scottish novelist Neil Gunn.
His biography states that he was born in Leicester in 1921. So it looks like the wrong guy.
The only other lead I have is John Bagshawe Pick but he was not born in Chapel-en-le-Frith in 1923, as my ancestor was, but nearby in Buxton. Although this is too much of a coincidence to discard, I have been told by a relation here on GR that John Bagshawe Pick has different parents. Now I really am at a loss! There seems to be no trace of John B. Pick from Chapel-en-le-Frith. No infant death or any marriage etc. Can anyone please solve this mystery?
John

John B Pick went to Cape Town 1947.

Returned
21 July 1950 Cape Town to Southampton Ship Athlone Castle
John Pick 27 of Buxton Derbyshire a fitter
Mildred Pick 25 housewife.
Did they have a daughter 1958!!

I would contact the lady on here who has Mildred and John in her tree and ask her when Mildred died.
Maybe John got back with Gene if she died.

Maryb.

http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/ is the main site for Scottish records - although you can make free searches, its a credit based system to view the full results.

Although not especially familiar with Scotlandspeople, you may not find records up to 1965 because of privacy legislation. Have a read of the site to discover what you can and can't do

Thanks DetEcTive
John

Thanks again Mary. I am wondering if there were any Picks born in Scotland between 1942 and say 1965 with mother's maiden name of Atkinson? I haven't access to Scottish BMD's
John

The bagshaw connection.

Eleanor Potter born 1889 Derbyshire daughter of William potter born leeds@ 1862 he was a cab proprietor.

1891 1,Byron Street Buxton.
William Potter 29 leeds
Susannah 31 born Moneyash Derbyshire a Dressmaker
Joseph potter 6 born USA
Eleanor 1 born Buxton.

1901 all together
1911 79,West street Buxton 7 rooms
William potter born Little London leeds Cab proprietor widow 3 children 1died.
Eleanor Potter 21 Buxton.

Susannah Bagshaw born 1859
1881
Joseph Bagshaw
Ann Bagshaw
Susannah Bagshaw dressmaker born @ 1859

Susannah Potter died 1907.
haven't found the marriage as yet for Bagshaw /Potter.

Maryb.

Edith and John are the only 2 Pick/Potter births showing on Freebmd in Chapel Le Firth
Parameters 1911 - 1935

http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl

Thanks for your help everyone. I think there's the strong likelihood that they are still alive and had no children. Did anyone notice if John had just the one sibling: a sister, Edith Gladys Pick b.1920 who married Burrand F. Cox 1940 and died 1990? I have info and descendants for her but never found if these were the only 2 siblings in the family.

Mary -

"............ and had Gene dd/mm/1923."

As Kathleen believes she is still living, or at least was when the 2013 ER was complied, do you think it might be wise to edit her full dob?

In case John hasn't already made a note if it, you could always send the full date by PM

I couldn't find a birth of a John B. Pick with mother's maiden name Atkinson so I don't think Gene is living with a son. In fact I don't think they had any children as far as I can see.

Kath. x

I have already sent the electoral roll information. It should be in your messages now.

Kath. x

Yes I have just seen that,I wonder if the one with Gene could be her son/grandson??

Maryb.

Thanks everyone. John Bagshawe Pick married Mildred Nelson (from Cape Town) and I believe this is probably an unlikely coincidence but not ruling it out yet.
... Thanks Kathleen, if John B and Gene are still living that's pretty amazing = 90+yrs old. Perhaps they didn't have children, that would keep em young!! lol Would appreciate your electoral roll info later - many thanks.
It is correct also that Samuel Pick (father) married Elanor Potter.

Not sure that is the same John B. Pick that John is looking for. As per my earlier post there is a John B. Pick and Gene Pick still living together on the 2013 Electoral register.

Kath. x