Genealogy Chat

Rules out the birth I posted, I would think

Marriages Mar 1925 (>99%)

Carter Edward W Smith Petersfield 2c 265
Smith Ella M Carter Petersfield 2c 265

You MUST get a copy of Pamela's marriage cert.....................

Did Christopher have any brothers or sisters?

yes 12 some of the names elijh ambrose leonard mark Freddie mary violet mary

I thought they were Leonards brothers and sisters??
So it was Christopher who was one of 12 children not Leonard?

Any other names you can remember. If we can match a birth we can find their mother's maiden name.
Have you any idea of when they were born?

it was Christopher as they were gypsys (travellers)they could be born anywhere but poss Hampshire I am trying to get marriage cert for Christopher and pamela

I AM WAITING FOR A MARRIAGE CERT TO ARRIVE

When you get it, post all the details on here, so that we can try to help you further

hi reggie Pamela and Christopher wedding cert not much help

Christopher carter 21yrs scrap metal dealer 16 Hamilton rd father leonard
carter Pamela mary dunklley 19yrs 12 Osborn rd warsash fathe r denis George harold Dunkley aircraft fiter married at gosport register office on 14th dec 1951 rita

...just to say that the house in Hamilton Road is probably still there.
I have walked down that road many times on the way to a shore-line walk to Portchester Castle.
There are many warehouses at the southern end, but private houses nearer the junction with A27.

Gwyn

Hi Rita
Can you let us know who the witnesses were please.
Christopher's given age at the wedding makes him born in 1929/30 which matches his death cert.

While I was looking around the other day I did find this. It's really no help whatsoever but it may be Leonard.

1911 census transcription details for: 48 -57 Church Sreet Dorking

National Archive Reference:
RG14PN3184 RG78PN119 RD36 SD2 ED3 SN148
Reg. District: Dorking
Sub District: Dorking
Parish: Dorking
Enum. District: 3
Address: 48 -57 Church Sreet Dorking
County: Surrey
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born

CARTER, Lenard Single F 19 1892 Hawker Not Known

He is in some sort of Lodging House with a load of other people but he doesn't know where he was born which makes things more difficult.

In 1901 there is a Leonard Carter in an Orphanage in Aldershot born 1894. Birthplace is given as London possibly Marylebone

His death maybe

Civil Registration event: Death

Name: CARTER, Leonard
Registration district: Portsmouth
County: Hampshire
Year of registration: 1953
Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at death: 62
Volume no: 6B
Page no: 496

the whitnes are C F TOOVEY ANDJ M LANIERSON THATS THE BEST I CAN READ IT not very clear thanks for information so far rita

The death posted for 'Christopher' is almost certainly the one whose birth I posted earlier, and the parents' marriage is on this page.

Doesn't anyone know exactly when Christopher died?

You say he is/was your son-in-law's father........surely he knows ?

You refer to Pamela in the present tense - can't you ask her?

Christopher died 1996 in Portsmouth its difficult to ask questions because they were travellers they wont talk about these things im doing this for my grandaughter

If Christopher had a lot of siblings, one being Ambrose could this be him?


Births Dec 1920 (>99%)

Carter Ambrose Smith Portsmouth 2b 864

A birth cert would give the mothers name....although Smith isn't going to be easy to trace

Maybe she had been married before and 1st husband was killed during ww1

There is no birth to match the death other than the one already eliminated.

If his birth wasn't registered, I'm afraid you've come to a dead end.

Is there a chance that he was born before his parents married?

In which case, birth will be in mother's name................

Did Pamela KNOW her father-in-law?

And please would you confirm whether it was Christopher - or Leonard - who had the large number of siblings to whom you refer.

leonard she didn't know him much