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Has anyone found a relative that was in prison? The relative I think who was was sentenced in 1892 in the Clerkenwell Sessions House. It doesn't say what prison they went to, but gives the offence of 'wounding' with the sentence 18 months. I would like to know what happended when he left prison as he seems to go off radar.
Any ideas how I could get hold of the record? Thanks

Name ?

Where born?

Location of last census record etc. etc.

Hello Susan, if you care to give details about him then we can check other sources such as newspaper archives, passenger lists, etc...

Thank you for your replies.
MarieCeleste. His name is George Samuel Tiencken, he was born Bethnal Green, London in April 1874. His mother was Elizabeth Margetts and his father Claus Tiencken (German). He had two sisters: Ann and Charlotte. I lose him after 1892. Can't find any record of a death or marriage other than the prison record. I'd be grateful for any pointer as to where I go from here. Thank you again.

For our reference

1891 census transcription details for: 9, Ranwell Street, Bow Or Stratford Le Bow

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12
Piece: 316
Folio: 42
Page: 25
Reg. District: Poplar
Sub District: Bow
Parish: Bow or Stratford Le Bow
Enum. District: 17
Ecclesiastical District: St Pauls
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 9, Ranwell Street, Bow Or Stratford Le Bow
County: London
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
TIENCKEN, Elizabeth Wife Married F 52 1839 Tailoress Greenwich, Kent
TIENCKEN, Ann E Daughter Single F 19 1872 Tailoress Mile End, London
TIENCKEN, George S Son Single M 16 1875 Ropemaker Bethnal Green, London
TIENCKEN, Charlotte Daughter F 11 1880 Scholar Bethnal Green, London

http://www.deceasedonline.com/

(his Parents Burials look to be on above 1895/6)

Chris :)

Hi Susan, were you aware he was in the workhouse when the incident happened? Don't know if records there (if available) would help?

From Newspaper Archive

Publication: Gloucester Citizen
Publication date: Monday 24 October 1892

"George Tiencken, an inmate of the Poplar Workhouse, is under remand charged with having fractured the skull of the labour-master by striking him with a broom."

That's the first article I've come to - will keep reading.

England & Wales, Criminal Registers, 1791-1892 about George Tiencken
Name: George Tiencken
Date of Trial: 7 Nov 1892
Trial Year: 1892
Location of Trial: London, England
Sentence: Imprisonment 18 months at wormwood scrubbs
Crime: Wounding
Date of Execution or Release: See Image

Attacked a William Deane

The sister Charlotte

Name: George Webster Willmore
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Age: 37
Spouse Name: Charlotte Adelaide Willmore widow
Spouse Age: 33
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 5 Jun 1911
Parish: Old Ford St Paul
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: Henry Willmore
Spouse Father: Claus Tiencken occ sugar baker
Register Type: Parish Register

First marriage
Name: Charlotte Adelaide Tiencken
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1897
Registration District: Poplar
Inferred County: London
Volume Number: 1c
Page Number: 985
Records on Page:
Name

Charlotte Adelaide Tiencken

Thomas Webster Willmore

1891 census
Name: Thomas W Willmore
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John Willmore
Mother's Name: Mary E Willmore
Gender: Male
Where born: Southwark, London, England
Civil Parish: St Saviours
Ecclesiastical parish: St Saviours
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View Image
Registration District: St Saviour Southwark
Sub-registration District: St Saviour Southwark
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 342
Folio: 19
Page Number: 31
Household Members:
Name Age
John Willmore 46
Mary E Willmore 40
John A Willmore 18
Mary E Willmore 15
Thomas W Willmore 12
Lilian W Willmore 2

Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 342; Folio: 19; Page: 31; GSU Roll: 6095452.

Name: Thomas Willmore
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1901
Age at Death: 25
Registration District: Poplar
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1c
Page: 347

The 1897 marriage for Charlotte is on Ancestry but as Kinchen.

He was not a witness

Name: Claus Tiencken
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1895
Age at Death: 63
Registration District: Poplar
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1c
Page: 489


Name: Elizabeth Mary Tiencken
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1896
Age at Death: 57
Registration District: Poplar
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1c
Page: 366

several records on FMP
GENERAL INTELLIGENCE.
George Tiencken, an inmate of the Poplar Workhouse, is under remand charged with having fractured the skull of the labour-master by striking
Gloucester Citizen
South West, England
24/10/1892


MURDERO US A SSA ULT.
MURDERO US A SSA ULT. George Tiencken, 37. was charged at the Thaires Police Court on Saturday wiih committing a violent a«sault on William D- an, labour m-ister at the Poplar Workhouse, by striking him on t .c head with a broom, and fracturing his skull
Morning Post
London, England
24/10/1892

The written newspaper report def has his age as 37 which us way out as he was only about 18 at the time . So is this the right guy?

LONDON, MONDA V, OCTOBER S4, 1592.
George Tiencken, an inmate of the Poplar Workhouse, is under remand at the Thames Police Court, charged with having fractured the skull
Morning Post
London, England
24/10/1892

POLICE INTELLIGENCE.
The Defendant : A very little one. — Mr. Horace Smith adjourned the summons for medical evidence to be called. THAMES George Tiencken was charged, on remand, with violently assaulting William Dean, labour master at Poplar Workhouse. — Mr. Hay Young prosecuted
London Standard
London, England
05/11/1892

????

George Tienken, "United Kingdom, Militia Service Records, 1806-1915"
Name: George Tienken
Event Type: Military Service
Event Year Range: 1806-1915
Event Place: United Kingdom
Birthplace: Middlesex
Birth Year (Estimated): 1873

Thank-you everyone. I lose him after 1892. I can only think that he died. went overseas or changed his name.

safc - how do I search a Militia Service Record - that looks a possibility?
Thank-you

Thank-you MarieCeleste.

you will need find my past as the image is on there

i found it on here

https://familysearch.org/#form=historical_records

1760-1915In association with The National Archives
Useful links & resources

First name(s): George

Last name: TIENKEN

Calculated year of birth: 1873

Parish of birth: Bethnal Green

Town of birth: London

County of birth: Middlesex

Age at attestation: 18 years 11 months

Attestation date: 1 March 1891

Attestation corps: 5TH BATTN THE RIFLE BRIGADE REGIMENT

Attestation soldier number: 2602

Discharge rank:

Discharge corps: Rifle Brigade (Prince Consort's Own)

Discharge soldier number:

The National Archives reference: WO96

There are 3 images available for this soldier


he lived at 9 Ranwell Street, Old Ford Row, Bow
he was single and a labourer
he was discharged as an invalid
he was 5foot 8 1/2 inches tall
weighed 149 lbs
fair complextion, grey eyes, brown hair
religion C of E

served from 1st March - 11th April 1892

Thanks for that Maddie, it was very interesting. He didn;t last long in service did he. So he must have gone to the workhouse when he left, and from there to prison. Just need to find out what happened to him when he was released now.
Thanks again.

Well we have all found info like yourself up to when he went in prison but after that zilch. Wonder if he changed his name so that's why we can't find him :-(