Genealogy Chat

Glasgow Lass has just rightfully pointed out that the 4th son is baptised in Grindale as per the record........but this doesn't necessarily mean he was born there, he too, could have been born in Mayo, Ireland. A matching UK birth certificate hasn't yet been found for him. I thought I found one, but it doesn't match.

So, just to recap - the Baptism certificate of John Rowley (4th son) confirms he was baptised in Grindale, East Yorkshire, it also LOOKS like the parents came from Doontice, Killasser, County Mayo.......and given the time of the move its almost certain the move came about because of the potato famine.

I've contacted the parish in Killasser in the hope that they hold some old records, a marriage record/certificate of John Rowley and Catharine Freney would be great.

this video kinda sums up what I thought it maybe like:

http://www.rte.ie/archives/exhibitions/1030-emigration-once-again/139206-emigration-from-killasser/

interesting that the first burial on there is a Rowley!

Dear Mr.Rowley,
Thank you for your e-mail.
The townland is spelt by the Ordnance Survey of Ireland as Doonty, and it is located in the north of the parish of Killasser, approximately 3 miles east of Foxford and 3 miles north east of Swinford.
The location can be viewed on the Ordnance Survey website here:
http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V1,534757,807462,5,3

and also this...


Dear mark,



I suggest that this townland is Doonty in Killasser Parish. In the Tithe Book for Killasser (1834) it is spelled Doontice see http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/results.jsp?surname=rowley&firstname=&county=Mayo&parish=killasser&townland=&search=Search

What about ship records? So we can see the family leaving Ireland...which website would be best to see this?

Thanks

there are no passenger lists from Ireland to England

Many people myself included wish there were :-)

Ok thank you. ?.
is there a record of registered people in the irish workhouses?

What date is the earliest census in England and Ireland?

Thank you

Does anybody know if the remaining fragments of the Irish 1821, 1831 and 1841 census are online? Or is it a trip to Dublin....Fairly confident that the area is Killasser! County Mayo.


19th-century census substitutes

Because virtually all of Ireland's 19th century census records were destroyed, family historians must instead rely on other genealogical sources for that period. These are collectively known as 'census substitutes'.The most useful are land records (especially Griffith's Valuation), religious censuses, school registers, old-age pension applications and other miscellaneous lists of names such as trade directories.Before you start looking into those alternatives, though, take a look to see if any of the fragments of Ireland's earliest censuses are worth pursuing. Their potential value will depend largely on whether or not you know your ancestors' place of origin.See the links in the Related Pages box, top right.- See more at: http://www.irish-genealogy-toolkit.com/Irish-census.html#sthash.TpnLbN2R.dpuf

Earliest census for England, Wales & Scotland is 1841 (there were some before this but they were only headcounts); the only full Irish ones surviving are 1901 and 1911. There is a partial one for 1841/51 but this is only for Co Antrim. I have never been able to find any of the "fragments" online.

Hi Mark
If you follow your link it tells you which parts survived and where they are.
There appear to be no surviving records for County Mayo.

Had a hopeful thought.....maybe Catharine's second marriage to Francis Mcguire on the 06/10/1857 in Scarborough will open some more doors to a route back to County Mayo Ireland.

The certificate confirms Catharine's father is called Michael Freney.

Did Michael move at the time of the famine too? Is there a death for him in the Scarborough area?
I have a copy this marriage certificate but when it is registered is there a record of any other details?
Where did Catharine die? Would a death certificate/record confirm her place of birth?

many thanks in advance

Francis was American...theres a chance they moved to the US....
we can see them in the 1861 census and then I think they drop out of the UK census with no close matching death registrations on yorkshirebmd or the freebmd websites

if the above is true where on earth would I even start to find them in the US???

You would look on the American census records, and on travel to America.....