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Hi
I am struggling to find traces of My Mum's family. Her Dad was Herbert Barber b 1887ish, d. 1971. Her Mum Harriet Long 1886 -1970. Harriet was commonly known as Kitty, as she was a nanny, and the family she nannied for could not be bothered to think of their new Nanny's name, so as the old one was Kitty she became Kitty. I am afraid that this has caused her to get lost, as I think she may have been listed under the wrong name in the 1911 census. She was born in Holmfirth, and married in Oldham. I am trying to trace her parents, and get to know more about them. Mums Mum was a keen churchgoer (C/E) We have been to Holmfirth church, thinking that there may be a Long grave, but to no avail. Can any one help anywhere?
Thank you
Liz

The marriage for ref

Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page

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Marriages Sep 1916 (>99%)
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Barber Herbert Long Oldham 8d 1062
Long Harriet Barber Oldham 8d 1062


Andy

How do you know where she was born ?

Do you have the marriage cert as she is old enough to have been married before 1916

Is this Herbert?

Herbert Barber
Birth Date: 12 Jan 1886
Date of Registration: Mar 1972
Age at Death: 86
Registration District: Nelson
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 10e
Page: 1448

Where did Harriet die?

Thank-you

If born in Holmfirth the birth should be registered in Huddersfield but not showing

Think we need to know the details from the marriage cert

Yes,
Father's name from marriage certificate?

Not sure where this is in relation to Holmfirth?

Name: Harriet Ann Long
Birth Date: 15 Sep 1885
Parish: Bramley, St Peter
Baptism Date: 7 Oct 1894
Father's Name: John Long
Mother's Name: Mary Long


Is this Herbert's death please?

Name: Herbert Barber
Birth Date: abt 1886
Date of Registration: Jun 1967
Age at Death: 81
Registration District: Huddersfield
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume: 2b
Page: 642

No death for a Harriet Barber in 1970?

Andy

Agree Andy not found a death to match the info given

From Lancashire BMD


Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1916


BARBER Herbert LONG Harriet Oldham Register Office or Registrar Attended Oldham RM/149/102

This is all I can find:

Name: Harriet Barber
Birth Date: 20 Aug 1897
Date of Registration: Dec 1971
Age at Death: 74
Registration District: Ashton
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 10b
Page: 602s

?? But you need the marriage cert.

1901 England Census
Name: Harriett Long
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1896
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Thomas G Long
Mother's Name: Eliza Long
Gender: Female
Where born: Scholes, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Wooldale
Ecclesiastical parish: Holmfirth Holy Trinity
County/Island: Yorkshire

Registration District: Huddersfield
Sub-registration District: Holmfirth

Thomas G Long 49
Eliza Long 43
Charles E Long 18
William G Long 12
Farnek W Long 9
Henry H Long 7
Harriett Long 5

So that is 10 years different to what the poster thought

Need that feedback

This is the above Harriet 1911, just in case!

1911 England Census
Name: Harriet Lang
Age in 1911: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1896
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Scholes N Holinforth, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Ashton Under Lyne
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 105 Welbeck St Ashton Under Lyne
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Butcher's Assistant
Registration District: Ashton under Lyne

Thomas George Lang 59
Henry Lang 17
Harriet Lang 15

Might be this one then as it includes Scholes


Births Sep 1895 (>99%)
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Long Harriet

Huddersfield 9a 286

Hi all
I think that the Harriet Long born in Scholes is probably the right person. My Mum is the one who said she was born in Holmfirth, but she is getting a bit forgetful. We went to see her Mums childhood house a year or so ago, and that was still there. The family was a farming one, but also butchered meat. Herbert Barber was also a Butcher. I think his dad was as well.
Thank you so much for your help. Researching family trees is hard work!
Also can any one tell me how I find out the date of births for people who were born before 1866, as My Dad's grandma seems to be amongst these.

Have you found the people in the censuses for a rough date of birth?

Then free bmd back to 1837/1838 to start with.

You need to buy certificates for more information and to check up that what has been posted is accurate, particularly if people are forgetful.

Thanks patchem
I will try that.

???

1911

Name: Herbert Barber
Age in 1911: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Ashton under Lyne, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Ashton Under Lyne
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 66-8 Stockport Road Ashton U Lyne
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Butcher Son Working Home
Registration District: Ashton under Lyne
Registration District Number: 468
Sub-registration District: Ashton Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Piece: 24362
Household Members:
Name Age
William Thomas Barber 50, Butcher
Margret Ann Barber 60 Married 29 years, 4 children born, 4 children living
Edith Barber 28
Gertrude Barber 25
Herbert Barber 24


1891

Name: William T Barker
[William T Barber]
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Margaret A Barker
Gender: Male
Where born: Ashton, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Ashton under Lyne
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
Town: Ashton under Lyne
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address: 175 Victoria Street

Occupation: Butcher

Condition as to marriage: Married

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration District: Ashton Under Lyne
Sub-registration District: Ashton Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3275
Folio: 27
Page Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
William T Barker 31
Margaret A Barker 40 b. Liverpool
Edith Barker 8
William A Barker 6
Gertrude Barker 5
Herbert Barker 4


Marriages Sep 1881
BARBER William Thomas Barton I. 8c 717
GITTINS Thomas Barton I. 8c 717
Gouch Mary Purnell Barton I 8c 717
WILLIAMS Margaret Ann



Name: Margaret Ann Williams, Spinster, 12 Victoria Crescent, Eccles
Birth Year: abt 1851
Age: 30
Marriage Date: 26 Sep 1881
Parish: Eccles, St Mary
Parish as it Appears: Eccles
Father's Name: John Williams, Occ. Pilot

Spouse's Name: William Thomas Barber, Occ. Butcher, 136 Oxford Rd Manchester

Spouse's Father's Name: Thomas Barber, Occ. Butcher
Reference Number: L49/1/6/40
Item Number: 2
Archive Roll: 535

Wtnesses: Samuel Barber and Mary Jane Barber



1881

Name: William Thos. Barber
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relationship to Head: Servant
Gender: Male
Where born: Ashton Under Lyne, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Chorlton on Medlock
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address: 136 Oxford St
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Butcher

Registration District: Chorlton
Sub-registration District: Chorlton Upon Medlock
ED, institution, or vessel: 43
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3920
Folio: 111
Page Number: 1
Household Members:
Name Age
Andrew Wilkinson 49 Butcher
Martha Wilkinson 47
John B. Wilkinson 18
William Wilkinson 17
Jane Wilkinson 15
Emma Wilkinson 10
William Thos. Barber 21
Emma Egan 25


1871

Name: William T Barber
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas Barber
Mother's Name: Jane Barber
Gender: Male
Where born: Ashton U Lyne, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Ashton under Lyne
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
Town: Ashton under Lyne
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration District: Ashton Under Lyne
Sub-registration District: Ashton Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 34
Household Schedule Number: 165
Piece: 4074
Folio: 48
Page Number: 26
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Barber 36, Butcher
Jane Barber 35
William T Barber 11
Mary J Barber 9
Samuel Barber 7
Lewis H Barber 6
John J Barber 3
Albert Barber 1

Address 66 and 68 Stockport Road

Name: William Thomas Barber of 223 Stockport Rd. Ashton-under-Lyme
Probate Date: 12 Nov 1936
Death Date: 22 Sep 1936
Death Place: Lancashire, England
Registry: Manchester, England

Probate to William Albert Barber, Butcher and Edith Barber, Spinster.
Effects £2983 13s. 9d.



1891

Name: Thomas Barber
Age: 56
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Ashton Under Lyme, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Ashton under Lyne
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
Town: Ashton under Lyne
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address: 4 Church Court

Occupation: Butcher

Condition as to marriage: Widower


Registration District: Ashton Under Lyne
Sub-registration District: Ashton Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3275
Folio: 70
Page Number: 11
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Barber 56
Harriet Fowden 58


Deaths Sep 1900 Barber Thomas 66 Ashton 8d 349