Genealogy Chat

Once you have the District, Volume and page where do you go next?

Do you want to order certs ?

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/default.asp

Cost £9.25 per cert

You need to register first

When you order a certificate online from the address GlitterBaby has given you above, make sure that when the online form asks "Is the full GRO reference known?" that you tick the "yes" box.

The reference is made up of the name, year, quarter, district, volume number and page number. Also make sure that you tick which sort of certificate it is you are ordering (either birth, marriage or death).

Kath. x

Thank you both for your quick replies.

I think I will have to order a birth cert. to find the parents.

Do any of the war records show parents? I have a lot of knowledge re his service records.

Some service records show next of kin - which could be one of the parents.

When was this person born? Were they around at the time of one of the census years? If so you might be able to find them with parents. If it's a more recent birth you may have to buy the birth certificate.

Kath. x

Hi I have moved to the other side of my tree. Grandfather, I have very little information on him. I do have the original birth cert. However this does not show the parents! He was born in 1896. That makes me wonder, if I pay for birth certs. for the first person I was asking about, he was born in 1843 will that also not show parents.

If it only shows me his name and DOB I already have that.
thanks for any help

You must have the "short" version of your grandfather's birth certificate. You can buy the full version and this will have his parent's names on it. If a child is illegitimate it usually only has the mother's name on it.

The certificates ordered online from the address given above will be the "full" certificate.

Kath. x

All birth certs include the names of the parents..............or, if the child was illegitimate - the mother only, unless the father attended at the time of registration

The GRO came into being in July 1837, but it was not until 1875 that penalties were introduced for not registering births, which meant that many of them went unrecorded

The GRO index does not show a date of birth - it tells you ONLY the qtr of the year in which the birth was registered.

After 1911, the GRO index includes the maiden name of the mother............

If these two people were born in 1843 and 1896 they should be on census returns.

If you would like to give the names and the area of the country where they lived we can see if we can find them with their families.

Kath. x

Your grandfather should feature in both the 1901 and 1911 census.
As you know his name and date of birth and area of registration, it might well be possible to find him with his parents.

Do you have access to census records or would you like to share his name and details and people could help find him.?

Gwyn

Reggie - short birth certificates do not show the name of the parents.

Mine does not (but my long one which I ordered a few years ago does)

Neither does my grans, again I ordered her full one a few years ago

Neither of us were illegitimate, it is just that at the time our parents could not afford to buy a full cert. Short ones were either free or half the price.

I am sitting here looking at my short certificate now.....

I was referring to full certs, of course.

Should have made it crystal clear....................should have realised someone would pick me up on it

Me a pedantic soul - !!!!!

Yep....

Had to dig my certs out to make sure before I posted!!!

Hi everyone and thanks for help.

Kath it is very kind of you to offer to look for them, I did think that I was not allowed to ask people to search in this forum?

But as you have kindly offered -

Frederick Charles Richardson is the one I have the short birth cert for. Born in 24/06/1896 sub district Harborough (Leics) I cannot find his parents at mo.

The other one is William James McConnell born St. Etherlreds Norwich. 23/09/1885
I am also looking for his parents?

Really thank you so much if you can help

1911


Name:Frederick Charles Richardson
Age in 1911:14
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1897
Relation to Head:Son
Gender:Male
Birth Place: Market Herboro, Leicestershire, Wales
Civil Parish:Great Bowden
County/Island:LeicestershireCountry:England
Street Address:69 Logan St Market Harboro
Occupation:Newspaper Boy
Registration District:Market Harborough
Registration District Number:399
Sub-registration District:
Market Harborough
ED, institution, or vessel:5
Piece:18928
Household Members:
NameAge
William King Richardson53
Anne Marie Richardson51
Any Jane Richardson23
Bengt Robert Richardson20
William John Richardson17
Frederick Charles Richardson14
Harriett May Richardson11

Roy

I think this is William in the 1891 census:-

1891 census transcription details for: 12, Compass Street, Norwich

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12
Piece: 1524
Folio: 57
Page: 8
Reg. District: Norwich
Sub District: Conisford
Parish: Norwich
Enum. District: 13
Ecclesiastical District: St Etheldred
City/Municipal Borough: Norwich

Address: 12, Compass Street, Norwich
County: Norfolk

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born

MCCONNELL, James Head Married M 47 1844 Musician Valet
Ireland
MCCONNELL, Ada Wife Married F 31 1860
Kings Sutton, Northamptonshire
MCCONNELL, Margaret Daughter Single F 6 1885
Norwich, Norfolk
MCCONNELL, William Son Single M 5 1886
Norwich, Norfolk<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
MCCONNELL, Martha Daughter Single F 4 1887
Norwich, Norfolk
MCCONNELL, Hugh Son Single M 2 1889
Norwich, Norfolk

Kath. x

This looks like William's mother in the 1901 census. She is now a widow:-

1901 census transcription details for: 8, King Street Winkles Row, Norwich

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13
Piece: 1841
Folio: 51
Page: 29
Reg. District: Norwich
Sub District: East Wymer
Parish: Norwich
Enum. District: 48
Ecclesiastical District: St Peter South Gate
City/Municipal Borough:

Address: 8, King Street Winkles Row, Norwich
County: Norfolk

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born

MCCONNELL, Ada E Head Widow F 41 1860 Charwoman
Kings Sutton, Northamptonshire
MCCONNELL, Margaret A Daughter Single F 16 1885 Paper Box Maker
Norwich, Norfolk
MCCONNELL, Frank Son M 3 1898
Norwich, Norfolk

Kath. x

This looks like William's father's death:-

Name: MCCONNELL, James
Registration district: St. Faiths
County: Norfolk
Year of registration: 1899
Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at death: 55
Volume no: 4B
Page no: 66

Kath. x

This is the reference for Frederick Charles Richardson's birth certificate (although you don't really need it if it's just the parent's names you are looking for as Reggie has posted the census information):-

Name: RICHARDSON, Frederick Charles
Registration district: Market Harborough
County: Leicestershire
Year of registration: 1896
Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun
Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume no: 7A
Page no: 18

Kath. x

This is the 1901 census for Frederick Charles:-

1901 census transcription details for: Logan Street, Great Bowden, Market Harborough

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13
Piece: 2952
Folio: 82
Page: 24
Reg. District: Market Harborough
Sub District: Market Harborough
Parish: Great Bowden
Enum. District: 5
Ecclesiastical District: Market Harborough
City/Municipal Borough:

Address: Logan Street, Great Bowden, Market Harborough
County: Leicestershire

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born

RICHARDSON, William King Head Married M 43 1858 Wharfe Labourer
Stoney Stratford, Buckinghamshire
RICHARDSON, Annie Marie Wife Married F 41 1860
Green Norton, Northamptonshire
RICHARDSON, Arthur Bertie Son Single M 16 1885 Printer
Little Bowden, Northamptonshire
RICHARDSON, Amy Jane Daughter Single F 13 1888 Hosiery Factory Hand
Little Bowden, Northamptonshire
RICHARDSON, Ernest Robert Son Single M 10 1891
Little Bowden, Northamptonshire
RICHARDSON, William John Son Single M 7 1894
Little Bowden, Northamptonshire
RICHARDSON, Frederick Chas Son Single M 4 1897
Mkt Harboro, Leicestershire<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
RICHARDSON, Harriott May Daughter Single F 1 1900
Mkt Harboro, Leicestershire

Kath. x