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My Grandfather Thomas Fairburn Rayner born 1878 Manchester, is not showing in any records I wonder why ? I know he existed as he has shown up in your files in the past.. I am looking for his Mothers maiden name.. Thank you Marje

Manchester, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1915


Name: Thomas Fairburn Rayner

Baptism Date: 25 Jul 1877

Parish: Oldham, St Peter

Parish as it Appears: St Peter, Oldham Road, Manchester

Father's Name: Henry Rayner

Mother's Name: Sarah Ann Rayner

Reference Number:
M299/1/4/1

Item Number:
3

Archive Roll:
860

1911 census:


Thomas Fairburn Rayner
Age in 1911:33
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1878
Relation to Head:Head
Gender:Male
Birth Place:Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish:North Manchester
County/Island:Lancashire
Country:England
Street Address:34 Euclid Street Beswick Manchester
Marital Status:Married
Occupation:Wire Drawer
Registration District:Prestwich
Registration District Number:467
Sub-registration District:Bradford
ED, institution, or vessel:3
Piece:24284
Household Members:NameAge
Thomas Fairburn Rayner 33
Martha Rayner 32
Harry Rayner 12
Fairburn Rayner 10
Aurther Rayner 8
Doris Rayner 6
Jessie Rayner 1/12

possibly -


Marriages Dec 1876 (>99%)
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Rayner Henry Manchester 8d 312

Rogers Sarah Ann Manchester 8d 312

More info from his baptism:

The family were living at 11 Wright St, Butler St; father was a wine-drawer

As you mentioned 'your' presumably you mean GR.

The following BMD *are* shown on this site

First Name THOMAS FAIRBURN
Last Name RAYNER
Birth Year 1877
Gender Male
Mother's Maiden Name
Year 1877
Country England
County Lancashire
Event Quarter 2
District MANCHESTER
District Number
Volume 8D
Page 227
Line Number 314

England & Wales marriages 1837-2008
First Name THOMAS FAIRBURN
Last Name RAYNER
Gender Male
Year 1898
Image Quarter 3
Country England
County Lancashire
District MANCHESTER
Volume 8D
Page 404
Line Number 136

Perhaps you restricted your search to 1878 rather than give a 2 year parameter?

Marriage:


Marriages Sep 1898 (>99%)
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PILLING Martha Manchester 8d 404
RAYNER Thomas Fairburn Manchester 8d 404

Name:
Henry Rayner

Age:
22

Birth Year:
abt 1854

Marriage Date:
14 Oct 1876

Parish:
Manchester, St Mary, St Denys and St George

Father's Name:
Fairburn Rayner

Spouse's Name:
Sarah Ann Rogers

Spouse's Age:
22

Spouse's Father's Name:
Thomas Rogers

Archive Roll:
743

More info on marriage:

Henry's occupation: wine-drawer; father: Fairburn Rayner, wine-drawer.
Bride's father: Thomas Rogers, boilermaker

1881 (Scotland)

RG number: RG11
Piece: 6522
Folio: 7
Page: 15
Reg. District: Middle District of Old Monkland
Sub District:
Parish: Old Monkland
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 46, North British Buildings, Old Monkland
County: Lanarkshire


RAYNOR, Henry Head Married M 26 1855 Wire Draner
England
RAYNOR, Sarah A Wife Married F 26 1855
England
>>>>>RAYNOR, Fairburn Son M 3 1878
England
RAYNOR, Jessie Daughter F 2 1879
Coatbridge, Lanarkshire

He is on the 1891 census as Fairburn Rayner

1891

RG number: RG12
Piece: 3256
Folio: 68
Page: 24
Reg. District: Prestwich
Sub District: Newton
Parish: Bradford
Enum. District: 28
Ecclesiastical District: Christchurch
City/Municipal Borough: Manchester
Address: 102, Princess Street, Bradford, Kirkmanshulme, Manchester
County: Lancashire


RAYNER, Henry Head Married M 36 1855 Wire Drawer
Manchester, Lancashire
RAYNER, Sarah A Wife Married F 37 1854
Manchester, Lancashire
>>>>>RAYNER, Fairburn Son M 13 1878 Scholar
Manchester, Lancashire
RAYNER, Jessie Daughter F 12 1879 Scholar
Scotland
RAYNER, Charles Son M 9 1882 Scholar
Scotland
RAYNER, Ada Daughter F 8 1883 Scholar
Scotland
RAYNER, Henry Son M 6 1885 Scholar
Manchester, Lancashire
RAYNER, Ethel Daughter F 4 1887
Manchester, Lancashire
RAYNER, Frederick Son M 2 1889
Bradford, Lancashire
RAYNER, Lydia Daughter F 0 (1M) 1891
Bradford, Lancashire

Death is also registered under Fairburn:


England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007
about Fairburn Rayner

Name:Fairburn Rayner
Birth Date:abt 1877
Date of Registration:Jun 1917
Age at Death:40
Registration District:Manchester
Inferred County:Lancashire
Volume:8d
Page:257

His son? Killed in WW1?

RAYNER, FAIRBURN
Rank:Private
Service No:3513513
Date of Death:29/08/1920
Age:20
Regiment/Service:Manchester Regiment
2nd Bn.
Panel ReferencePanel 31 and 64.
MemorialBASRA MEMORIAL
Additional Information:
Son of Fairburn and Martha Rayner, of 34, Euclid St., Beswick, Manchester.

(Address is same as on 1911 census.)

" I know he existed as he has shown up in your files in the past"

Whose files?

Thank you everyone I do mean GR lists/files bye the way Could not understand why which every category I chose to enter his name in this AM all showed 'No results' I do have all the results you kindly gave me ,as I'm closely related to Fairburn .but as all the relations mentioned are no longer with us I needed to know his Mothers full name . His line of work was WIRE Drawer as were lots of the male Rayners.. I do not like to ask too many questions, would love to know how you all go about getting such detailed info. I am only on a yearly subscription, so maybe that is why I am limited Thanks once again Marje. That is his Son(WWW1 death) Margee Thank You

Personally, I use freebmd and also have a subscription to findmypast and ancestry - I usually try to use all three sites together to gather as much info as possible.

Others that have posted on your thread may use different sites to the ones that I use.


I think too that you may have the answer to your query, that of his mothers full name - as posted above:


Marriages Dec 1876 (>99%)
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Rayner Henry Manchester 8d 312

Rogers Sarah Ann Manchester 8d 312


Lynne

Possible that Sarah Ann Rogers parents were Thomas Rogers and his wife Jane as shown in the 1871 census:


Name:Sarah Ann Rogers
Age:18
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1853
Relation:Daughter
Father's Name:Thomas Rogers
Mother's Name:Jane Rogers
Gender:Female
Where born:Manchester
Civil Parish:St Barnabas
Ecclesiastical parish:St Barnabas
County/Island:Lancashire
Country:England
Registration District:Manchester
Sub-registration District:Ancoats
ED, institution, or vessel:17
Household Schedule Number:58
Piece:4030
Folio:31
Page Number:12
Household Members:NameAge
Thomas Rogers 45
Jane Rogers 40
Elizabeth Oldam 20 - shown as daughter, could be that Jane was called Oldham before marraige and had Elizabeth illigitimately or Jane had been married prior to marrying thomas Rogers
Sarah Ann Rogers 18
Charles Rogers 12

Re the 1871 Census

Elizabeth Oldam is shown on the image as being Daughter of Thomas and Jane AND Married

Sarah Ann's marriage from www.familysearch.org/


Sarah Ann Rogers, "England Marriages, 1538–1973 "

Name: Henry Rayner
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Age:
Spouse's Name: Sarah Ann Rogers
Spouse's Birth Date:
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Age:
Event Date: 14 Oct 1876
Event Place: Cathedral,Manchester,Lancashire,England
Father's Name:
Mother's Name:
Spouse's Father's Name:
Spouse's Mother's Name:
Race:
Marital Status:
Previous Wife's Name:
Spouse's Race:
Spouse's Marital Status:
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M09789-7
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 438234, 438235, 438236, 438237
Reference ID:


and from ancestry .............



Manchester, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1930 (Cathedral) about Sarah Ann Rogers

Name: Sarah Ann Rogers
Age: 22
Birth Year: abt 1854
Marriage Date: 14 Oct 1876
Parish: Manchester, St Mary, St Denys and St George
Father's Name: Thomas Rogers
Spouse's Name: Henry Rayner
Spouse's Age: 22
Spouse's Father's Name: Fairburn Rayner
Archive Roll: 743


from image:-

Sarah Ann
Spinster
No Occupation shown
Address:- 42 Back Balloon Street
Father occupation:- Boiler Maker

Henry
Bachelor
Occupation:- Wire Drawer
Address:- 36 Hanover St
Father occupation:- Wire Drawer

Witnesses:- M.D. Owen, M. E Atkins, James Green and Mary Alice Hurst (??spelling)


Henry signed his own name.

Sarah Ann could not write ................. she had to use a mark