Genealogy Chat

Hi Brummie46

Thanks that helps quite a lot.

In the past I had contacted Sandwell to find out where to go for Coseley records, as I was travelling long distance to check them out and wanted to go the right place. They told me I should go to Coseley, only to discover when I got there they said I should go to Dudley!! Quite frustrating.

So thanks again for that valuable info.

Lou

for your information, Dudley archives cover Sedgeley, Coseley, Woodsetton.
Hope this helps.
further more Sandwell arhives, cover smethwick, Tipton and West Bromwich

Reggie,

Mine is incorrect - I know that now, but the one you found above states occupation as Iron Moulder, do you still think that's correct because his marriage certificate for John was Engine Fitter or Fitter,

Sorry to be a pain but I'm getting confused now.

Lou

That is the WRONG 1901.........see above

Reggie,

I think your a star * think you've found where I've gone wrong. Does the image you found in 1901 confirm his father's occupation of Engine Fitter or Fitter? The image I have states occupation as Railway Porter and has son's middle name of Edwin.

Lou

oops just noticed his occupation was Iron Moulder so that can't be him can it?? His occupation on marriage certificate was 'Fitter' and in 1891 census with his parents his occupation was Engine Fitter.

Lou ...whose getting confused now.

BTW........1911 census records that one child of the five born in the marriage had died.

This is the correct 1901 for the family.....................................not the one you mentioned on page one

1901 census


Person: BAKER, John Address: 36, Regent Street, Sedgley

BAKER, John Head Married M 26 1875 Holloware Iron Moulder
Sedgley, Staffordshire VIEW
BAKER, Elizabeth Wife Married F 23 1878
Sedgley, Staffordshire VIEW
BAKER, John Son M 2 1899
Sedgley, Staffordshire

I'm not sure why you think the son had a second forename.........there is no record of one on either 1901 or 1911 censuses.

I suspect that this is his birth

Births Dec 1898 (>99%)
Baker John Dudley 6c 83

Hi Reggie,

Yes that's correct. John Ernest b 1872.

If I find any more info I will let you know

Lou

OK

So you're tracing the family of John Ernest born 1872

That eliminates the family in Birmingham........so I'll delete the info, to avoid confusion.

Thanks Reggie,

Going a generation further back to his father.

John Baker married Isabella Milner Onions this is them on the 1891 Census ( I have their marriage certificate)

1891 Census RG12/2275 Folio 132 Page 29
John head Mech Engineer b
Isabella (Onions) wife
John E son Engine fitter b 1872 Tipton
David A son Engine Fitter b 1873 Tipton
Walter son Engine Fitter b 1876 West Bromwich
Philip son b 1885 Wednesbury
Sydney son b 1886 Smethwick
May daughter b 1889 Birmingham

I have David's Marriage certificate states his occupation is Fitter
I have Sydney's marriage certificate states he's a Tool fitter
John's marriage certificate states he's a Fitter with middle name of Ernest he married Elizabeth Annie Onions. (so far I haven't found any 100% connection to his mother's family)

I found a possible connection to Walter and have followed his family and he had a daughter with the middle name of Milner which is the same as his mother, and thought I must be on the right track and so started to track Walter's brother John and his marriage and family.

Hope this all makes sence, without being on Ancestry now it's been harder to verify.

Lou

I think you may need to start again..................who are you actually researching?

How did you work back?

Hi Reggie,

Sorry not to have gotten back earlier.

His father was John Ernest (info from marriage certificate) married in 1898. On 1901 census it states father was John a Railway Porter and son John is John Edwin.

Regards Lou

Hi Jax & Jonesey

Thanks to you both for your comments. I am hoping to be back with ancestry after Christmas if Santa is kind enough to leave me it as a present. :-)

So will take a look on there then.

Thanks again for the info on Dudley/Sedgley/ Tipton Jonesey that's very useful too as I have a lot from those areas too so that will save me quite a bit of search time.

Jax thanks for the tip on Ancestry,

Thanks again to you all for you advice and help, it's very much appreciated.

Regards and good luck to you all

Lou :-)

I did wonder Jonesey :-)

Dudley/Sedgley/Tipton residents were most definitely not included on Birmingham electoral registers.

Birmingham Electoral rolls are on ancestry searched by name

Midlands, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1955


Thousands of Birmingham voters left their mark in these election registers.

whether Dudley is included I don't know??

Hi Reggie,

Thank you for looking, and for the tip on the 'OX' something I didn't know, so that's a useful bit of info.

Thank you again for your continued help and tips. They are very much appreciated.

Good Luck yourself

Regards, Lou

I had hoped that the children would have second forenames to help with onward searches, but that seems not to have been the case.

OK, found them........

1911 census


Person: BAKER, John Address: 75 Regent St Swan Villiage Woodsetton Near Dudley

BAKER, John Head Married M 37 1874 Moulder Staffs Coesley VIEW
BAKER, Lizzie Wife Married12 years F 36 1875 Staffs Coesley VIEW
BAKER, John Son M 12 1899 School VIEW
BAKER, William Son M 9 1902 School VIEW
BAKER, May Daughter F 4 1907 VIEW
BAKER, Joe Son M 0 (7 MONTHS) 1911

Ignore the 'OX' in red.......it's a notation by an official, and has no relevance to info about birthplaces.

It appears on countless census images, usually where the birthplace has been missed off by the person filling in the form....in fact I had a similar instance just a couple of days ago..................

Hi Reggie,

Thank you for looking and sorry I'm late in replying.


1911 RG14; Piece: 17406; Schedule Number: 195.

States birth place is Oxfordshire - it's incorrect

Registration District Number: 372
Sub-registration District: Sedgley
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Household Schedule Number: 195
Piece: 17406

Living at; 75 Regent St, Swan Village, Woodsetton Nr Dudley

Registration District: Dudley

Regards, Lou