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For decent resolution, magnify 4 clicks, then save image:
http://archive.org/stream/13thcensus1910po1405unit#page/n246/mode/1up
http://archive.org/stream/14thcensusofpopu1635unit#page/n608/mode/1up
http://archive.org/stream/fifteenthcensus00reel2115#page/n290/mode/1up


https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1®ion=UNITED_STATES
1920 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M6YT-7Q8
GS Film number: 1821635
Image Number: 00612

1930 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XHW4-83Q
Affiliate Film Number: 2115
Image Number: 00295

1940 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KQZP-13M [with image link]

Goodnight Lou, I'll chip away at this so keep popping back!

MarieCeleste,

Thank you so much for your wonderful help, but I'm afraid I'm going to have to log off now.

Please know your help, advice and tips has been most enlightening and very much appreciated.

Regards to you and please accept my sincere thanks for your help tonight.

But the z'zzz'z are taking over my mind now as I've been up since 6am, so thanks again.

good night and good luck in the future.

Thanks,

Lou

Yeah! although not entirely true. His wife's family were all Welsh, he was actually born in Staffordshire but he lived in Wales, married there and most of his kids were born there, except for those in America. Yes I've had a re-think on the 1910 find and agree with you.

Yes, those 1890 records are gone. Great shame as they would have been invaluable for this and lots of other researches.

I've now seen his death record from 1903. It states he was a widow so that makes your 1910 find unlikely. His last residence before death was 3028 McClury, 24th ward (Previously lived Homestead, PA). Accidental death following a fall. Both him and his parents born Wales.

Hi birth date was 9 Aug 1850 died 21 Dec 1903. He did return to Birmingham as his father was dying. I've not found him in 1890 as I was told those records were destroyed in fire!

Lou

Lou, what birth date do you have for Cornelius?

Web: Pennsylvania, Find A Grave Index, 1682-2012
Name: Cornelius Baker
Birth Date: 31 Jul 1849
Age at Death: 59
Death Date: 5 Sep 1908
Burial Place: Abbottstown, Adams County, Pennsylvania, USA

Who did he remarry in 1897? (Whoever it was, she's not with him in 1900)

Possibly:

Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania Directories, 1888-92

Name: Cornelius Baker
Location 1: Clover and Salisbury
Occupation: mill hand
Year: 1890
City: Pittsburgh
State: PA

Just posting the first thing that popped up:

Philadelphia Passenger Lists, 1800-1945

Name: Cornelius E Baker
Arrival Date: 12 Apr 1898
Age: 47 Years 8 Months
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Gender: Male
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Pennland
Port of Arrival: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Last Residence: Birmingham
Microfilm Roll Number: T840_28

He's described as a returning American citizen going to what looks like Baldwin, PA.

He was a machinist. Looks like he may have been visiting Birmingham.

MarieCeleste. Oh dear i certainly got that wrong, but thanks for the tip.

Cornelius' 2nd marriage was to an Elizabeth R Deer in 1897. I have now found in the 1910 census for Penn an Elizabeth R Baker - widowed with a daughter named Elizabeth M Baker aged 27 which is close to her actual age which should be 24

Lou

The only name I have for Bessie is just that. Her birth certificate from the USA just states Bessie and that's all that's on the 1900 census. She was born however on the 20th August 1886 and her brother Edward was born in the Feb of 1883

Lou, the Orphans dept in Philadelphia issued all marriage certificates, I believe!

I know it seems odd, but every marriage record I've found for PA has been administered by them.

Anyhow, I'll have a dig around and see what I can find.

I haven't found Bessie's death and that was one of the marriage I found for her via the LDS site under 'Orphan marriages' which seemed to fit the bill as her father died in 1903.

I have the family via Ellis Island emigrating in 1881 and have the 1900 census image. I have her mother's death certificate and Bessie's birth certificate. I have recently discovered that her father remarried in 1897 via the LDS site and have their marriage certificate.

Cornelius E Baker b 1850 England (I have his birth certificate but on the marriage certificate states he was 1851 but has the right date and month.
Lydia Baker (1st Wife) b 1850 Wales)
Sarah Baker b 1870 Wales
Arthur J Baker b 1872 Wales
Mary A b 1875 Wales (I think I have her marriage and living with sister Sarah)
Harriet Hannah b 1880 England
Edward Baker b 1883 Pennsylvania
Bessie B 1886 Pennsylvania.

The following info is only what I've found but does match with siblings names;

Sarah married a Heary Shomberg
Mary married a Charles Yeo
They are living with both hubby's on 1900 census.

Brother Arthur wife married Yeo but so far I havne't managed to find if they are connected.

Lou


Sorry totally forgot to say, don't know for sure who she married; They lived in Allegheny, Pitsburg, Pennsylvania,

Lou, do you want to give her parents names and I'll see if I can find anything else?

So do you think that the Bessie who married Elmer was a different person? Or do you know for definite that he was her husband?

Gosh don't know what's happening to this page, but I've only just got your message asking for info relating to Bessie, so once again sorry about that.

As mentioned above, her father was born in England and her mother was Welsh, they emigrated in 1881 along with siblings. But as mentioned she was 7 when her mother died and only 17 when her father died. She may well of thought her parents and siblings were all born in Pennsylvania. There is no German ancestry in that family.

Lou

Hi MarieCeleste,

That's a massive clue and has helped me a great deal. Her mother was definitely not born in Penn, but she might not have known that because the family emigrated from England to the USA in 1881. Her mother's was of Welsh origin not German. So that has helped me enormously and has proved I'm on the wrong trail.

But I really do thank you for your time, patience and effort, because without this last little snip of info I'd have been travelling down a very wrong path.

So thank you so much for your hep.

It's very much appreciated and good luck to you. :-)

Regards, Lou

In addition to the birthplace I've put for Bessy above, the 1920 census indicates that her mother was born Penn but may be of German origin.

They were definitely 2 different people, I've found them separately on the census. Just born a few months apart. Elmer EllSWORTH Henry married a Sally Weaver.

Hi Marie Celeste,

I did notice the difference but wondered if it was a pronunciation mistake.

Lou

That would always relate to the person to whom the transcription related, in this case his.

I'll check hers - can you tell us anything more about her?

EDIT: According to the 1930, Bessie was born Penn, as were both her parents.

Have deleted the baptism for Elmer EllsWORTH Henry as yours is Elmer EllWOOD Henry.