Genealogy Chat

Chris

Thank you, your post confirms the marriage in Poplar and the relationship between Clara and Albert J.

J-A

Marriages Mar 1889 (>99%)
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Cornish Clara Ann Poplar 1c 831
EDWARDS William Poplar 1c 831

(looking at 1861, 71, Clara is sister of Albert J)

Chris :)

I have a question - something a bit odd - can anyone confirm please whether I had picked up the wrong William Edwards (1857/1858 ) previously at Bale Street.

I had William Edwards (Engine Fitter) in 1881 at 34 Bale Street, Mile End Old Town with wife Clara 1858 and child Susan A M 1881. But Chris Ho post at 09.25 today (5 July 2013) has William with his sister’s family (Cornish) at 36 Ireton Street. He is shown as single, stone mason.

Now here is my problem what is William up to? I thought I just needed to amend the William and Clara out of my file because it was the wrong William. But when I look at the 1891 (50 Morville Street, Bow), there is William (a Mason) with his widower father John the Carpenter – and wife Clara. No child Susan though.

I’ve found:

William Edwards to Clara Ayres – in 1878 (London City)
William Edwards to Clara Emma Caley – in 1881, (Mile End) obviously after the Census.

Very odd.........

EDIT: Think I posted too quickly. I have just extended the William and Clara search and come up with a Poplar marriage in March 1889 – William Edwards to a Clara Cornish – that seems reasonable! So out goes the Bale Street Edwards Family after all.

Hello Astra and Chris

I saw some of these posts just before I went out this morning - and thought Cobbs? Am back online briefly and just looked in more detail at the posts. Thank you so much - for finding the 1851, and the 'missing' children on later census' (I thought they might have died!)

Also thank you for the marriage (earlier than I thought) in 1848 of John Edwards - so she was Mary Ann Cobb (no jokes about her father Mr Cobb being a stable keeper and (cob) horses) ! Seems their witnesses were her siblings. The 'John Jones Edwards' element connects as it could be what he used on the 1881 which is transcribed James - so am happy it could be either, but sure it is them.

Plus thank you for all the additional info on baptisms and marriages. Now I have lots to work on. I really appreciate all your posts, have to admit I tried to find some of this information but nothing seemed to turn up! Must be doing something wrong!

J-A

Name: Louisa Caroline Edwards
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 26 Jan 1871
Father's Name: John Jones Edwards (Carpenter)
Mother's Name: Mary Ann Edwards
Parish or Poor Law Union: Bethnal Green St Barnabas
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Register Type: Parish Registers
(address 17, Totty Street, also same time, Mary Ann)


Name: George Edwards
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 23 Oct 1859 (Born 27 Sept 1859)
Father's Name: John Jones Edwards (Carpenter/Joiner)
Mother's Name: Mary Ann Edwards
Parish or Poor Law Union: Limehouse St Anne
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Register Type: Parish Registers
(address, 17, Old Norfolk Street, Stepney, also same time William, born 24 Sept 1856)

Chris :)

Name: Charlotte Edwards
Spouse Name: Albert John Cornish (Shoemaker)
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 19 Jan 1876
Parish: Bethnal Green St James the Great
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: John Jones Edwards (Carpenter)
Spouse Father Name: John Albert Cornish (Shoemaker)
Register Type: Parish Register
(witnesses, Caroline Bryce, E S?)

Name: Emily Edwards
Spouse Name: Charles Henry Newman (Commercial Clerk)
Spouse Age: 19
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 17 Dec 1876
Parish: Bromley St Leonard St Mary
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: John Jones Edwards (Carpenter)
Spouse Father Name: Charles James Newman (Draper)
Register Type: Parish Register
(witnesses, John Jones Edwards, Mary Ann Newman)


1881
CORNISH, Albert J Head Married M 27 1854 Boot & Shoe Maker
Bethnal Green, Middlesex
CORNISH, Charlotte Wife Married F 27 1854
Limehouse, Middlesex
CORNISH, John A Son Single M 5 1876
Bow, Middlesex
CORNISH, William F Son Single M 4 1877
Bow, Middlesex
CORNISH, Albert G Son Single M 2 1879
Bromley, Middlesex
EDWARDS, William Lodger Single M 22 1859 Stone Mason
Limehouse, Middlesex
RICHARDS, Walter Lodger Single M 22 1859 Packer (Fact Lab)
Woolwich, Middlesex
Piece: 497
Folio: 11
Page: 15
Registration District: Poplar
Civil Parish: Bromley
Municipal Borough:
Address: 36, Ireton St, Bromley
County: London, Middlesex

Day:20
Month:October
Year:1850
Forename:John
Othernames:Jones
Surname:Edwards
Fathers forenames:John Jones
Fathers occupation:Joiner
Mothers forenames:Mary Ann
Birth date:19/09/1850
Address:Limehouse
Location of church:Limehouse
Parish:St Anne
Church address:Commercial Road
Entry No:873
Source Ref:X069/001
Record source:Docklands Ancestors

(not sure if Son on 1851)


Births Dec 1850 (>99%)
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Edwards John Jones Stepney 2 516

Chris :)

Name: John Jones Edwards (Carpenter)
Age: Full Age
Spouse Name: Matilda Jane Caseley
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 25 Dec 1877
Parish: Bromley St Leonard St Mary
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: John Jones Edwards (Carpenter)
Spouse Father Name: John Caseley (Mason)
Register Type: Parish Register
(witnesses, John Caseley, Matilda Jane James. Residence for both at time, Bromley)

1881
EDWARDS, John Head Married M 30 1851 Carpenter
Limehouse, Middlesex
EDWARDS, Matilda Wife Married F 31 1850 Machinist
Stepney, Middlesex
Piece: 497
Folio: 12
Page: 18
Registration District: Poplar
Civil Parish: Bromley
Municipal Borough:
Address: 3, Quickett St, Bromley
County: London, Middlesex

So following on this looks like the marriage

Marriages Dec 1848 (>99%)
CHITTECK Harriet Hackney 3 177
>>COBB Mary Ann Hackney 3 177
Draper Jane Hackney 3 177
>>Edwards John Hackney 3 177
LINES Mary Ann Hackney 3 177
Mayhew John Hackney 3 177
Spackman Thomas Hackney 3 177
Symonds David Hackney 3 177

and the full version

Name: Mary Ann Cobb
Spouse Name: John Edwards>>>>>Carpenter
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 1 Oct 1848
Parish: Homerton St Barnabas
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: John Cobb
Spouse Father Name: John Edwards
Register Type: Parish Register


Witnesses were both Cobbs. William John and Caroline

This is the family in 1851

1851 census transcription details for: 3, 1/2 Commercial Place, Commercial Road, Saint Anne Limehouse, Middlesex, Tower Hamlets

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National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107
Piece: 1554
Folio: 466
Page: 8
Reg. District: Stepney
Sub District: Limehouse
Parish: Saint Anne Limehouse
Enum. District: 17
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough: Tower Hamlets
Address: 3, 1/2 Commercial Place, Commercial Road, Saint Anne Limehouse, Middlesex, Tower Hamlets
County: Middlesex
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
COBB, John Head Married M 52 1799 Stable Keeper
N K, Rutlandshire
COBB, Mary Ann Wife Married F 53 1798
N K, Somersetshire
COBB, William Son Unmarried M 36 1815 Coachman
St Pancras, Middlesex
COBB, Henry Son Unmarried M 13 1838 Scholar
Limehouse, Middlesex
COBB, Caroline Daughter Unmarried F 28 1823 Dressmaker
St Pancras, Middlesex
COBB, Henrietta Daughter Unmarried F 20 1831 Dressmaker
Clerkenwell, Middlesex
>>EDWARDS, John Visitor Married M 25 1826 Carpenter
Lambeth, Surrey
>>EDWARDS, Mary Ann Visitor Married F 27 1824
St Pancras, Middlesex
>>EDWARDS, John Visitor M 0 (6 MOS) 1851
Limehouse, Middlesex

Hello Ladies

I'm back - yes that is the 1871 that I have for them. I have them in 1871 at Totty Street, Bethnal Green. Then I think in 1881 at 4 Auckland Road - just John - but he seems to be shown as James with son George. Louisa is a servant nearby in Bromley (by Bow) . The son William is in Mile End in 1881 with his new family, then in 1891 John (EDIT and son George) is with William and his family. No idea where all the others are yet - with the exception of Louisa who in 1891 is married and (although she didn't know it) producing offspring and becoming my great great grandmother.

I cannot find them before 1881, and need to try again for the children from 1891. I expect Charlotte (1854) and Emily (1856) could be married or in service in 1891, as could Mary A.

I found a potential birth for Louisa today in Q3 1858. It looks as if I am not looking for a Charlotte (that was a guess as the first daughter on 1881 was Charlotte and my lot like to recycle their names), compounded by the Charlotte death where I expected to find it. I don't think I have much option other than to get Louisa's birth cert at some point.

Thanks for looking
J-A

Thats them Margie but I cant find any of the them on the 1861 census :-S

Is this your family in 1871?

1871 England Census
about Mary A Edwards Name: Mary A Edwards
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John Edwards
Gender: Female
Where born: Stepney
Civil Parish: Bethnal Green
Ecclesiastical parish: St Barnabas
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration District: Bethnal Green
Sub-registration District: Bethnal Green
ED, institution, or vessel: 8a
Household Schedule Number: 155
Piece: 484
Folio: 62
Page Number: 28
Household Members: Name Age
John Edwards 48
John James Edwards 20
Charlotte Edwards 17
Emily Edwards 15
William Edwards 14
Louisa Edwards 12
George Edwards 11
Mary A Edwards 9

looks like Charlotte she was born Limehouse that came under Stepney reg didtrict at that time

Births Sep 1853
EDWARDS Charlotte Stepney 1c 514

maybe
Births Mar 1855
Edwards Emily Stepney 1c 555 some doubt over page nos
Edwards Emily Stepney 1c 585



Births Dec 1856

Edwards William Stepney 1c 459
or
Births Mar 1857

Edwards William Henry Stepney 1c 480

Births Jun 1862
EDWARDS Mary Ann Stepney 1c 474

If you think he did marry a Charlotte then the death cert maybe her.

Certs for married ladies will say wife or widow of and the husbands name.

If you cant find any other info you may have to take a punt on that death cert

Hi Shirley~.

It was a bit if guesswork - see my post about children / names/ dobs/ death. It all seemed to fit. I may just have to get a birth cert (but too impatient)

J-A

Actually I think George Weeks married Emily Pinner and John Pears married Susannah King:

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about George Weeks Name: George Weeks
Age: Full Age
Spouse Name: Emily Pinner
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 8 Oct 1850
Parish: St Mary Stratford Bow
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: John Weeks
Spouse Father Name: John Pinner
Register Type: Parish Register



London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about John Pears Name: John Pears
Age: Full Age
Spouse Name: Susanna King
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 6 Oct 1850
Parish: St Mary Stratford Bow
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: Thomas Pears
Spouse Father Name: James King
Register Type: Parish Register

Hi Shirley~.

For some reason I do not have the 1861 - probably couldn't find it before. I may just have to get the birth cert of one of the children, but was hoping for a bit of seek and find without getting the cert yet to find out the wife (and mother) of the family on the 1871

Thank you

J-A

Were any of the childrens birth reg? how do you know he married a Charlotte ??

Thanks Margee - that messes up my investigations! I don't have them on 1861 - but I have John on 1871 (alone) - with 7 children - first born in 1851, last born in 1862. The first daughter (2nd child) was called Charlotte, then final child born in 1862.

I took a guess at a marriage before 1851 - and have found a Charlotte Edwards death in 1862. It all seemed to connect to a John/Charlotte marriage, - oh well will try to find them on 1861

Thank you for looking

J-A

just found Charlotte on the 1861

Name: Charlotte Warboys
Age: 60
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1801
Gender: Female
Where born: Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: St Pancras
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration District: Pancras
Sub-registration District: Camden Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 202
Piece: 117
Folio: 131
Page Number: 31
Household Members:
Name Age
George Britton 25
Maria Britton 22
George Britton 4
Charlotte Warboys 60

Source Citation: Class: RG 9; Piece: 117; Folio: 131; Page: 31; GSU roll: 542576.

George Weeks married Susannah KIng

1861 England Census about George Weeks
Name: George Weeks
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1823
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Susannah Weeks
Gender: Male
Where born: London, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Poplar All Saints
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration District: Poplar
Sub-registration District: Poplar
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 174
Piece: 306
Folio: 65
Page Number: 27
Household Members:
Name Age
George Weeks 38
Susannah Weeks 36
Susannah Weeks 9
Mary Ann Weeks 8
George Weeks 6
Hannah Weeks 4
Edward Weeks 2
Source Citation: Class: RG 9; Piece: 306; Folio: 65; Page: 27; GSU roll: 542611.