Genealogy Chat

you're very welcome



any time! :-D

Thank you :-D

Jennifer ..............


So glad that we could help you.

NanaSue has the local knowledge, which is fantastic for you, especially if she can take some photos. One of the advantages of living in the UK.


We, and all the helpers, are always ready to help .............

............. but, please, if you do start another thread to search for your Mum's side, be sure to mention in the Opening Post that you have everything (or almost everything!!) after she married your Dad, referring back to this thread.

The best way to do is the copy and paste the url (ie, the web address that should show somewhere on your screen) ........ this gives the thread number, and people can take a quick look on this to see what has been found.


This is so that people will not waste time looking for your Mum's marriage to your Dad, and then following his side back .................... thus re-dong all the work done on this thread.



Good luck



sylvia
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Glad you are pleased. As I live in the same London area I'm following the addresses. If I find one not to far I'll go and take a photo for you. There are still the London Polls to go through which have addresses - not quite as good as the census but useful...

Edit : London Polls - forgot to mention womens names were generally added after 1921

If you want us to try for info about your mum please start new thread so there is no mix up with the family lines


:-D :-D :-D

Absolutely FANTASTIC. I am bowled over by the amount of info. Thank you all so much for your help. To think I have been stuck on this, lol. Been on GR for years and never thought to use it before.
I will have to ask for help for my mum's dad side if you are up for the challenge? :-D

Referring back to the 1891 census
address is 87 Chalk Farm Road
Frederick J Hughes is a horse keeper
his brother John Hughes 24 is cab driver
his brother Jesse Charles Hughes 22 is a horse keeper

The area they all lived almost near my house is by Regents Park London
Seems like they had a horse and coach business.

John and Jessie located nearer Kentish town area in later censuses.

Also the actual street I live was the largest distibutor of milk in London
Which used horses
There are still many cobbled streets and houses with arches where the stables were at the back.
Some of the businesses gradually changed to motor carriages

Edit: that address is almost by Chalk Farm tube station.
Having been looking for info about the old coach houses in the area. There were special coach stations where they were parked similar to the bus depot of today.
London Hackney Carriage Act 1831 - they were horse drawn before the motor taxi cabs

MC


yes, he could ................ but Jennifer seemed to think the family "ran" the business, and I've found no evidence of that.

I'll edit that posting to reflect that

Sylvia, would a horsekeeper or groom not have worked for a hackney carriage business?

Jennifer ..........


what all this seems to show is that there is apparently no obvious connection with your grandfather or great grandfather owning a Hackney Carriage business in London

He, or they, could of course have WORKED for a Hackney Carriage business.




EDIT, ca 8:30 am, May 17, to clarify meaning.

Marriage of Charles Adams and Susan

Sudbury is the Registration District that includes Glemsford


Marriages Mar 1860 (>99%)

Adams Charles Sudbury 4a 443
Leeks Susan Sudbury 4a 443

1861 Census

Name: Charles Adams
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Susan Adams
Gender: Male
Where born: Glemsford, Suffolk, England

Civil Parish: Glemsford
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England

Registration District: Sudbury
Sub-registration District: Hartest
ED, institution, or vessel: 5

Charles Adams 20 Corn Matt Weaver
Susan Adams 21 Hair Drawer

Address:- Church Gate Street




sylvia

Alice Adams was born in Glemsford, SUFFOLK, not Glemsford, Sussex as shown on the 1901 Census.

1871 Census

Name: Alice Adams
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Charles Adams
Mother's Name: Susan Adams
Gender: Female
Where born: Glemsford, Suffolk, England
Civil Parish: Glemsford
Ecclesiastical parish: Ely
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England
Registration District: Sudbury
Sub-registration District: Hartest
ED, institution, or vessel: 4

Charles Adams 30 b.ca 1841, Glemsford, Meat Weaver
Susan Adams 31 b.ca 1840, Stanstead, Suffolk
Alice Adams 8
Walter F Adams 4 b.ca 1867, Glemsford
Mary Ann Adams 2 b.ca 1869, Glemsford

Address:- Church-Gate

???? James Kemp's marriage to Lucy???

from ancestry


Wiltshire, England, Marriages, 1538-1837 about James Kemp

Name: James Kemp
Marriage Date: 6 Jul 1829
Parish: Steeple Ashton
Marital Status: Bachelor (Single (Male))
Residence: Steeple Ashton
Spouse: Lucy Sims
Spouse Marital Status: Spinster (Single (Female))
Spouse Residence: of This Parish
Document Type: Banns

?????????????

Sarah Kemp with her parents in 1851???


1851 Census

Name: Sarah Kemp
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: James Kemp
Mother's Name: Lucy Kemp
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Steeple Ashton, Wiltshire, England

Civil Parish: Hinton
County/Island: Wiltshire
Country: England

Registration District: Westbury
Sub-registration District: Bradley
ED, institution, or vessel: 2

James Kemp 48 b.ca 1803, Steeple Ashton, Ag Lab
Lucy Kemp 42 b.ca 1809, Steeple Ashton
George Kemp 18 Ag Lab
James Kemp 16 Ag Lab
Sarah Kemp 14
Esther Kemp 12 Scholar
John Kemp 9 Scholar
Mary A Kemp 6 Scholar
William Kemp 8 Mo

Address:- Bleek (??Bleet?)

All children born Steeple Ashton, except William born Hinton


Sarah in 1841, family name shown as Remp ......... correction sent in


1841 Census

Name: Sarah Remp
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Gender: Female
Where born: Wiltshire, England

Civil Parish: Steeple Ashton
Hundred: Whorwelsdown
County/Island: Wiltshire
Country: England

Registration District: Westbury
Sub-registration District: Edington

James Remp 35 Ag Lab
Lucy Remp 30
Henry Remp 10
George Remp 8
James Remp 6
Sarah Remp 4
Hester Remp 1


All born in Wiltshire

Daughter Lucy Vera
DOB 21 Dec 1898
Date of baptism 22 Apr 1899
Wesleyan Methodist Chapel, Prince of Wales Road

Address 20 Kings College Mews

Church now an art gallery - Kentish Town district of Camden

According to the 1911 Census on ancestry ......................


Frederick and Alice had had 8 children, 3 of whom had died. Lucy was the only one still at home

1911 Census Frederick George & Alice Hughes

Edit: info from GeneR census records

Name: Frederick Hughes
Age in 1911: 51
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: MaleBirth Place: Ridge, Wiltshire, England
Civil Parish: Hampstead
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address:
1 Kings College Mews East, Kings College Road, Hampstead N W

Marital Status:Married
Occupation:Horse Keeper
Registration District:

Hampstead
Registration District Number:8
Sub-registration District: Hampstead
ED, institution, or vessel:26
Piece:616
Household Members:
Name Alice Hughes
abt 1863
Age 48
GLEMSFORD, Suffolk, England
Lucy Hughes 12

John Hughes married Harriet Ponting 13 June 1814, Bromham, Wiltshire

from tree on ancestry .............. documentation not shown.

??? George in 1851 .......... left home to work

1851 Census

Name: George Hughes
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Relation: Lodger
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Bromham, Wiltshire, England

Civil Parish: Bromham
County/Island: Wiltshire
Country: England

Registration District: Devizes
Sub-registration District: Bishops Cannings
ED, institution, or vessel: 6c

Henry Knee 50 Agricultural Labourer
Rochell Knee 45
John Hughes 60
Samual Baker 23
Robert Baker 21
George Hughes 15 Agricultural Labourer

Address:- Maples, Bromham


EDIT, ca 5:50 am:-

I missed something earlier on this census

Name Age
Henry Knee 50
Rochell Knee 45
John Hughes 60 b.ca 1791, Heddington, Wiltshire, Widower, Lodger, Agricultural Labourer <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Samual Baker 23
Robert Baker 21
George Hughes 15



so George's father was also lodging with the Knees.
John Hughes b.

George in 1841??

1841 Census

Name: George Hughes
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Gender: Male
Where born: Wiltshire, England

Civil Parish: Bromham
Hundred: Potterne and Cannings
County/Island: Wiltshire
Country: England

Registration District: Devizes
Sub-registration District: Bromham and Potterne

John Hughes 50 b.ca 1791, Wiltshire, Ag Lab
Hannah Hughes 45 b.ca 1796, Wiltshire <<<<<<<<< name corrected to Harriet Hughes on the record
William Hughes 20 Ag Lab
Henry Hughes 20 Ag Lab
John Hughes 15
Jessee Hughes 10
George Hughes 5

Address:- Bromham Common

all children born Wiltshire


NOTE:- Ages on the 1841 Census may be as much as 4 years out ...................

the enumerators were instructed to round the ages of all persons over the age of 15 DOWN to the nearest 5

Thus someone who was shown as age 50 on this census could actually be between the age of 50 and 54

This also means that William and Henry are probably NOT twins, but are somewhere between the ages of 20 and 24.