Genealogy Chat

elizabeth monk was born 27/09/1882 in preston lancashire

parents john monk and catherine (nee bulger)

the family is missing on 1891 census but i know they were in preston because several children were born there

they are in liverpool on 1901 census under MONKS with john monk and catherine and the children including elizabeth monks

that is the last record of elizabeth i can find

i have spoken to a relative who says she was married at least twice and went to america and came home again but i can find nothing

monk/s is a common name in lancashire there is even another elizabeth monks born 1882

my family is a travelling family and elizabeth was a hawker

if anyone can help with finding her after 1901 i would be very very grateful

Welcome to the boards, David.

Have you looked to see if anyone on here has her in their trees

there is an Elizabeth Monks who married a Thomas Arthur Boswell in 1902 at St Matthias church Toxteth Park, father John a horse dealer

"Boswell" is a name my elderly relative gave me, but i have searched and searched and cannot find a record.

Where is this record ? it is so exciting

boswell of course is another travelling family

my elderly relative says she met a johnny boswell many years ago

my relative says margaret went to america and then came home again and she had at least two marriages

i have asked other tree owners without success

woweee

This from freebmd.org:

Marriages Jun 1902 (>99%)
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Boswell Thomas Arthur Toxteth Park 8b 345 <<<
Macdonald Margaret Toxteth Park 8b 345
Monks Elizabeth Toxteth Park 8b 345 <<<
PRYTZ Charles Peter Toxteth Park 8b 345

An this is probably what Ann found from Ancestry parish records:


Elizabeth Monks
Birth Year: abt 1881
Age: 21
Marriage Date: 11 May 1902
Parish: Toxteth St Matthew
Spouse's Name: Thomas Arthur Boswell (age 22, boilermaker)
Father's Name: John Monks (horse dealer)
Spouse Father's Name: George Boswell (boilermaker, deceased)

Witnesses John Roberts & Pricilla Edwards

Edit, her address 15 Arundel St, his 22 Calton Hill

Elizabeth Boswell
Arrival Date: 26 Nov 1904
Birth Date: abt 1882
Age: 22
Gender: Female
Ethnicity/ Nationality: English
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Baltic
Search Ship Database: Search the Baltic in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database

Travelling with Thomas Arthur, and Margaret Boswell (who I think is 7, but image bad) - he states his nok as mother Edith Boswell but I can't read her address.

Added: Sorry, mother should read Edith Grover, of what looks like Westhaven, Conneticut. And the child Margaret is age 1 not 7.

Thomas A Boswell
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Relation: Grandson
Gender: Male
Where born: Barrow in Furness, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Toxteth Park
Ecclesiastical parish: St Silas
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Toxteth Park
Sub-registration district: Toxteth Park
ED, institution, or vessel: 61
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 129
Piece: 3434
Folio: 148
Page Number: 22
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Boswell 65
Margaret J Boswell 59
Arthur H Boswell 29
Bertha M Boswell 25
Thomas A Boswell 19

His birth from Cumbriabmd, which gives mmn - 1882
BOSWELL
Thomas Arthur
Barrow
Cumbria Certificate Services

mmn WILLIAMS

B/22/319

I've just noticed, you have changed from Elizabeth to Margaret??

"my relative says margaret went to america and then came home again and she had at least two marriages"

Is this a mistake or is it the daughter (on passenger list previously posted) you are referring to?

The age is 2 years out, but I think this is him:

Thomas Arthur Boswell
City: Bronx
County: Bronx
State: New York
Birth Date: 6 Mar 1884
Race: White
Draft Board: 20
Age:

Occupation: Ship fitter/furnace man

Nearest Relative: wife Elizabeth Boswell

Height/Build:

Colour of Eyes/Hair:

Gives an address of 66 W177 St, Bronx New York - but it isn't a good image so I may be wrong.

I'm assuming they must have returned as there is this christening:

John Arthur Boswell
Birth Date: 31 Aug 1906
Baptism Date: 6 Sep 1906
Parish: Liverpool St Jude
Father's Name: Thomas Boswell
Mother's name: Elizabeth Boswell

Father's occupation is boilermaker

yes they did return to england

her name is elizabeth monk NOT margaret (my mistake)

this definitively sounds like them

am i right in thinking thomas boswells mother was in america ?

my relative says elizabeth was married twice

what a lot of information and so quick

whoopee !!

when i heard the name "boswell" i assumed he would be a "traveller"

the MOMKs were a travelling family and they usually married their own kind

elizabeth was a hawker and her father a horse dealer/earthenearsdfealer/hawker

thomas arthur boswell seens to have been brought up by his grandparents if thomas' mother was in america this would explain things

Although I haven't found her re-marriage, I think this is his mother travelling to Boston:

Edith Grover
Arrival Date: 19 Feb 1892
Birth Date: abt 1864
Age: 28
Gender: Female
Ethnicity/ Nationality: English
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England; Queenstown, Ireland
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Britannic
Search Ship Database: Search the Britannic in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database

With her is Mary Grover (5) and Daniel Grover (6 months)

Edith Grover going to america with two small children (with no husband)

why isnt she called boswell ?

thomas arthur boswell aged 10 stayed with his grandad

thomas arthur boswells father george must have died

this is sooooo interesting

I think George Boswell died in 1886 in Hampshire (age 25), it's possible but I can't be sure as it doesn't give his middle name - the only real clue is the shipyards - he was a boilermaker and likely worked in the shipyards - Thomas Arthur was born Barrow in Furness, again a shipyard town.

Edith's daughter was Mary Louisa, ch Liverpool 1885 and according to parentage would be Thomas's full sister. Son Daniel was reg in Sept 1891 as Grover, but I can't see any of them on the 1891 census. Nor can I see Elizabeth/Thomas going back to America.

No luck in finding any of them on the US federal census either.

don't think this has been posted above


Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1880
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
BOSWELL George E WILLIAMS Edith West Derby, Register Office or Registrar Attended Liverpool REG_WD/86/140

Any luck with a re-marriage for her Ann? I can't see one England/Wales.

I couldn't find one either under the name Boswell or Williams

The only Daniel Grover I could find was registered in Wandsworth in 1891 but could not see a matching Mary

Yes Ann, that's the birth I think is right for Daniel, this is the christening for Mary:

Mary Louisa Boswell
Baptism Date: 13 Dec 1885
Parish: Toxteth St Silas
Father's Name: George Edmond Boswell << Plater
Mother's name: Edith Boswell

Address 6 Alder Street