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Who are the witnesses on the marriage certificate??

what are the names of the two fathers?


those names would help to find Emma and William on the various censuses



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after all the detective work thats been done that we are no longer looking for mardens because we know of all family connections named marden because our grandfather changed his name from martin to marden so if anyone has connections to william martin and emma reader married 11th april 1869 we would love to hear from you

jeanette brooks descneded from my great aunt esther martin who was my grandfathers sister my grandfather was william martin who changed his name to marden when he joined the army after giving a false age he was born 1882 camberwell

this is what happened william marden changed his name from martin and lied about his age he was born in 1882 not 1880 the rest of the familly seem to have kept their name all william jnrs family are named marden my father and his twin brother were born at 15 seaford road tottenham 1925 in the 1911 census william martin senior was head of the house had 10 children but one had died if anyone has fuerther info would love to hear from you

we now think we have found our elusive grandpas family, names of family appear to be under the name of martin at 13 felton st hoxton in 1901 census ,1911 census it seems they may have moved to catford any further info would be welcome

From http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1320069

"we now have update for william marden we now have his army records and the information we have is that his birthdate was 21st may 1880 and on joining the army his address was 13 felton st hoxton we beleive, his father was william marden if anyone can add to this we would be very interested also his trade was a plumber"

Thanks very much for all the info about the dcli very useful as for the information on his marriage certificate i cant see as he would give a specific job title like brass finisher as his father occupation i think he would have said he was a labourer or something similar we think there might have been some change of name sometime my father was quite sure that some of williams relatives visited him when he lived in tottenham and that they were located in hoxton once again all new information is very welcome but sorry reggie your information is not very helpful

There were Barracks in Gravesend, so that might have been the reason he was there.

Added - look on a map for Albion Rd, Gravesend (where William Marden 1881 was living in 1911) The Barracks were roughly where the Sikh Temple is now.

2nd Add @ 1212

http://www.britisharmedforces.org/scli_%20pages/pages/gravesend.htm
On the 14th October 1908, the 1st Bn. D.C.L.I. consisting of 767 Officers and men, were posted to Milton Barracks from Woolwich and marched from Gravesend station to their new quarters headed by a band of 65 musicians and a twenty strong Silver bugle section, much appreciated by hundreds of local people who lined the roads to see and cheer them. The Regiment band had been trained for six years by Bandmaster H. Morton Reilly, who had also trained and introduced a string orchestra of 45 men. Weather permitting, the D.C.L.I. band gave a public concert on the Parade ground every Wednesday afternoon up until they left the barracks in 1911.

After nearly three years at the barracks, the 1st Bn. D.C.L.I., at the time considered by local people to have been the most popular Regiment ever stationed in Gravesend, were transferred to Tidworth on the 4th September 1911. The D.C.L.I. were replaced on the 27th September 1911 by 841 Officers and men of the 2nd Bn. Royal Dublin Fusiliers.
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DCLI are the initials used by William on the 1911 census entry :-D

He could also have invented a father

I can add that William Marden Jnr (my grandfather) enlisted to the army in London in 1898 and was in the Duke of Cornwalls Light infantry for 26 years and based at Bodmin Barracks. He had South Africa and WW1 medals. We have his discharge paper that gives his year of birth as 1880. We know all about his life after the army but hope to find more from his army records when we get them.

One puzzle is that he was living with his wife and sons in Gravesend Kent during the 1911 census but we have no idea why. Other later members of the family were born at Bodmin, Andover and Plymouth during his army service. The census entry shows he was born in Camberwell "about 1881"

I have done a compete search of all William Mardens (and variations) but failed to find anyone of them born in 1880 or 1881. I assume his father, William Marden snr, would have been born around 1860 but cant find one that had a son William of the right age.

I suppose there is always a possibility he lied about his age when signing up but we await further clues

the wedding took place in bodmin registery office the groom was 24 and was witnessed by the brides father and sister and the grooms address was the barracks at bodmin now awaiting army records

How old was the groom?

What was his address?

Who witnessed the marriage?

william mardens father was william marden senior william seniors occupation when william jr married in 1905 was a brass finisher any takers

Stephen is trying to say 'Thank you' but hasn't quite got the hang of it ;-)

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ONE post per topic.

Posting again won't alter the situation.

Wait till you get some FACTS from the man's marriage cert

Then, and only then, you can try to find out if he had siblings..................

You can't possibly know whether he had brothers and sisters until you find out who his parents were

So, wait until you get his marriage cert..................

.....then post ALL the details from it on here.

Use http://www.freebmd.org.uk/ to check for marriages of the children born 1905 onwards, most of them are to be found there. You can then cross check for any births to those marriages on freebmd up to approx 1950's (an ongoing project) or up to 2006 on other commercial sites. Then marriages of those births etc etc. until you have a living person to possibly contact.

William is quite elusive before 1911, so as mentioned, his marriage certificate, naming his father hopefully will help to track him down. I wonder if his father was in the Army and that is why? Or he wasn't born Camberwell, that may be his earliest memory of where he lived.

Deaths Sep 1905 (>99%)
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MARDEN Alice Lilian 0 Bodmin 5c 45


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Deaths Jun 1909 (>99%)
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MARDEN Doris Ellen 2 Bodmin 5c 47