Genealogy Chat

I have a similar family in my husbands tree. They claimed parish relief before the kids went into care, and because of that I was able to find info at the records office under parish poor law.

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Thank to everyone for your efforts.
I would love to see the images if possible.
I have learned a lot that I did not know before about my grandfather.

Kay, I just had a quick look but can't see that there is anything for the years it would be.

A long haul but has anyone checked the Poor Law and Guardian records on Ancestry for admin and discharge,,,,,,for Fulham or Hammersmith.....

I wonder if his poor eyesight ( which it says he had as a child but had worsened during service) may have been a problem in getting work when he retuurned to civilian life?

Ah and yet another lot of records, discharged 1917 medically unfit, "Lenticular cataract, primary and acquired ( double)"

Name: William Henry Richard Buck
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Age at enlistment: 33
Document Year: 1915
Regimental Number: 21039
Regiment Name: No.116 PROTECTION COMPY ROYAL DEFENCE CORPS
Number of images: 8

Val. am sitting here looking up yr family. Have googled Lma and hammer smith and Fulham archives. Couldn't find anything.. For me to go to hammer smith archives I need to book an appointment. I can ring tomorrow and try and get an appointment but being open ten to four only is a bit of a bugger... I have written everything down so let me know if you want me to make an appointment. Kim

Also

British Army WWI Pension Records 1914-1920 about William Henry Richard Buck
Name: William Henry Richard Buck
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Age at enlistment: 29
Birth Parish: Peckham
Birth County: Middlesex
Document Year: 1911
Regimental Number: 1144
Regiment Name: 1st. Batt. Coy L. (Reg. Fus.)
Number of images: 15

a second lot of images, wife as per known, and marriage to Grace Burgess at Poland st registry office, Sep 3rd 1909

also a letter written by him in 1921 to ask for his war medals.

I looked at military records, because I wondered if the children were fostered because parents were coping with war injuries? but I can't see anything of that nature, but it does appear that his claim for a pension was "rejected".

I have trouble attaching records but perhaps someone else can send the images if you haven't got them ?

Military records

British Army WWI Pension Records 1914-1920 about William Henry Richard Buck
Name: William Henry Richard Buck
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Age at enlistment: 35
Document Year: 1916
Regimental Number: 5218
Regiment Name: 2/5 East Surrey Rgt
Number of images: 3

Images show children

Ethel Winifred 17/5/11

George henry 13/3/13

Grace Ethel 1/12/14

Ethel BUCK siblings VALETTA GRACE 1st December 1914 FULHAM.and GEORGE HENRY born 13th March 1913 Marylebone.
I did not know if William and Grace got back together later. I was interested to hear that they were in 1939.
When I went to the LMA I was told that as I couldn't find anything it may mean that they were fostered under a private arrangement with their father. I know they went to the first foster home and because they were not looked after they were sent to Ditchling in Sussex to be fostered..
Don't know anymore than that .Is it worth looking and where.
Val

Grace Adelaide Burgess
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 14 Oct 1888
Father's Name: William Daniel Burgess
Mother's Name: Sarah Burgess
Parish or Poor Law Union: Bloomsbury St George
Borough: Camden
Register Type: Parish Registers

father a licenced vituallar, address 1 Montague Mews. ADDED, dob 23/8/1888

There is another birth in 1891 for Grace Adelaide Burgess, which the Ancestry trees have all wrongly latched on to - she was still with her parents in 1911.

Deaths Mar 1941 (>99%)
Buck Grace A 53 Hammersmith 1a 369

Births Dec 1888 (>99%)
BURGESS Grace Adelaide St. Giles 1b 615

Something else doesn't add up here, William & Grace were still together in 1939 - are on the ERs at 2 Boscombe Road, Hammersmith (and at various other addresses in Hammersmith since 1933).

Births Jun 1913 (>99%)
Buck George H Burgess Marylebone 1a 919

Births Dec 1914 (>99%)
BUCK Grace E Burgess Fulham 1a 360

1911 census

Person: BUCK, Grace Address: 25 Sterne St Shep Bush W

NEWELL, Thomas Head Married M 45 1866 Shop Assistant Poulterer Etonwick Bucks VIEW
NEWELL, Louise Wife Married18 years F 37 1874 Petworth Sussex VIEW
NEWELL, Mabel Daughter F 8 1903 Southwark London VIEW
NEWELL, Francis Son M 2 1909 Fulham London VIEW
NEWELL, Louise Daughter F 1 1910 Fulham London VIEW
NEWELL, Ernest Son M 0 (5 MONTHS) 1911 Hammersmith London VIEW
BURGESS, Montapal Boarder Single M 23 1888 Paper Ruler Bloomsburg London VIEW
BUCK, William Boarder Married M 29 1882 Porter Camberwell London VIEW
BUCK, Grace Boarder Married1 years F 22 1889 Bloomsbury London VIEW
MILLARD, Jas Langham Boarder Married M 48 1863 Printer Islington London VIEW
MILLARD, Lillian Boarder Married11 years F 37 1874 Liverpool Lancashire VIEW
BOSTOCK, Edward Visitor Married M 33 1878 House Painter Hackney London VIEW

Ethel Winifred Buck born 17/5/1911, 25 Stone St Shepards Bush, brother George Henry born 13/3/13 St Christophers Blds, Wigmore St. Parents William Henry Richard Buck, and Grace Adelaide Burgess (married 13/9/1909, reg office).

All according the William's military record - he enlisted 23/3/11, discharged 27/4/15. Acknowledged his medals 24/11/21, address Lime Grove Shepards Bush.

Just thought some dates would help in trying to find the school/home they were placed.

Added: There are a number of trees on ancestry with the younger child Grace on them, giving same parents details - may be worth contacting tree owners to see if they can give you more.

There is an unsourced tree on Ancestry, giving dob of 17/5/11 for Ethel, with parents William Buck 1881-1957 and Grace Adelaide Burgess ?-1941. Valerie has both these people in her tree, so I'm assuming it could be her tree.

2 more likely children born to that couple, George H 1913 and Grace E 1914, but we really need more from Valerie.

Valerie has Ethel born 1911 in her tree.

Rose

Is this the correct birth?

Births Jun 1913 (>99%)
Buck Ethel F Lion Edmonton 3a 1124

EDIT

.........probably not, as there is birth of a sibling in 1919

Valerie

please give us the birth ref for your mother