Genealogy Chat

I have been difficulties in tracing my mother's side of the family. I only know that my grandmother Rhoda Gill gave birth to my mother Madeline in Richmond Surrey in 1928, I'm not even sure how old my grandmother was then, although she may have been around 38ish. I have got my grandmothers death cert from old documents we found, but I cannot trace a birth register for her. It stated on the cert that she was the widow of Sam Rayne and I have now got the marriage cert dated 1931. It states that Sam's father was James Rayne and Rhoda's father was Frederick Gill. However, after searching all records I cannot find anything else. I have no idea where Frederick or James originated from.

Can anyone point me in the right direction. I really don't know where to start. The marriage cert states that James was a retired sea captain but I cannot read what it says for Frederick. I have looked on census but nothing.

Kind regards
Julie

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London, England, School Admissions and Discharges, 1840-1911

Name: Rhoda Gill
Age: 5
Birth Date: 17 Aug 1889
School: Yerbury Road School
Borough: Islington
Admission Date: 27 Aug 1894
Parent: Frederick
Notes: Yerbury Road School (0631) opened 1884. In 1951 renamed Yerbury Primary School
Reference Number: LCC/EO/DIV03/YER/AD/007

Deaths Jun 1963 RAYNE RHODA 73 ROTHERHAM 2C 592

If this is her death then she was born c1890. Does this tie in with her age at marriage?

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1911 England Census
Name: Rhoda Gill
Age in 1911: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: London, United Kingdom
Civil parish: Islington
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 28 Milton Grove, Upper Holloway N
Marital Status: Single
Registration district: Islington
Registration District Number: 10
Sub-registration district: Tufnell
Piece: 785
Household Members: Name Age
Dora Gill 51
Fredrick Gill 27 - PIANOFORTE MAKER
William Gill 25
Charles Gill 24
Rhoda Gill 21
Harriet Gill 20
Thomas Gill 18
Lenard Murphy 21 - Boarder


Update: I think we can eliminate this one as these may be the parents.
Marriages Sep 1889
Campbell Dora Islington 1b 645 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Campbell Theodora Louisa Islington 1b 645 <<<<<<<<<<<<
GILES Frederick William Islington 1b 645
GILL William Henry Islington 1b 645 <<<<<<<<<<<<
HUNT Sarrai Islington 1b 645

????
Name: Rhoda Gill
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 4 Sep 1889
Father's Name: Frederick Gill .........labourer
Mother's Name: Rhoda Gill
Parish or Poor Law Union: Dartmouth Park Hill St Peter
Borough: Islington
Register Type: Parish Registers

............Also a Matilda Gill with same parents baptised that day.
Address 39 Girdlestone Road

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Marriages Jun 1887

GILL Frederick John ..Stoke D. 5b 626

Sowden Rhoda Jane .. Stoke Damerel 5b 626

NB...
Probably NOT this couple, as this Frederick and Rhoda are still in Devon in 1901, without a daughter Rhoda.

Will leave for elimination purposes.

Gwyn

Poss death of Matilda

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915 about Matilda Gill
Name: Matilda Gill
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1890
Age at Death: 0
Registration district: Islington
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1b
Page: 172

Poss 1901

St Barnabas' Home
1901 England Census about Rhoda Gill
Name: Rhoda Gill
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Gender: Female
Where born: Highgate, London, England
Civil parish: Liscard
Ecclesiastical parish: New Brighton St James
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status:
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Registration district: Birkenhead
Sub-registration district: Wallasey
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 238
Piece: 3401
Folio: 88
Page Number: 39

Probable twins...?

Births Dec 1889
Gill Matilda .. Islington 1b 191
Gill Rhoda .. Islington 1b 191

Thank you all so very much, however I am a little confused now. If I am reading all these right.... it is saying there are three different Rhoda Gills, I think!!!

How do I find out the right one to me. My mother had no father named on her birth certificate so I have no link there. It seems very easy to get the wrong one, which I have done before.

You are all great

Julie :-)

What age is Sam on the marriage cert?

Is it the same as this?

Deaths Mar 1940 Rayne Sam 60 Rotherham 9c 1727

What were the witness names on the marriage certificate please?

Gwyn

This is the only Sam Rayne/Raine I can find for time.

Births Jun 1880
RAINE Alfred Willoughby Scarbro' 9d 399
RAINE Samuel Scarbro' 9d 399

His twin brother (??) is still around years later.
Marriages Jun 1908
Hird Kate Scarbro 9d 783 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<
NELLIS Hannah Maria Scarbro 9d 783
Raine Alfred Willoughby Scarbro' 9d 783 <<<<<<<<<<<<
Stonehouse Willie Consitt Scarbro' 9d 783
WOODWARD Florence Elizabeth Scarbro'. 9d 783

Update: However it might be coincidence that Alfred & Samuel are on the same page as this looks like Alfred and his father is a Mason.

1881 England Census
Name: Alfred W. Raine
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John C. Raine
Mother's Name: Jane Raine
Gender: Male
Where born: West Ayton, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: West Ayton
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Scarborough
Sub-registration district: Hutton Bushell
Piece: 4807
Folio: 131
Page Number: 6
Household Members: Name Age
John C. Raine 36
Jane Raine 30
John B. Raine 6
James Raine 4
Charles Raine 2
Alfred W. Raine

The Rhoda I found had a brother Charles Robert, at the same school at the same time

London, England, School Admissions and Discharges, 1840-1911

Name: Charles Rob Gill
Age: 8
Birth Date: 23 Sep 1886
School: Yerbury Road School
Borough: Islington
Admission Date: 3 Dec 1894
Parent: Frederick Gill
Notes: Yerbury Road School (0631) opened 1884. In 1951 renamed Yerbury Primary School
Reference Number: LCC/EO/DIV03/YER/AD/001


Address - 9 Hampden Road

also

London, England, School Admissions and Discharges, 1840-1911

Name: Fred Joseph Gill
Age: 12
Birth Date: 24 Nov 1882
School: Yerbury Road School
Borough: Islington
Admission Date: 4 Dec 1894
Parent: Frederick A Gill
Notes: Yerbury Road School (0631) opened 1884. In 1951 renamed Yerbury Primary School
Reference Number: LCC/EO/DIV03/YER/AD/001


address - 9 Hampden Road

also

London, England, School Admissions and Discharges, 1840-1911

Name: Will Thos Gill
Age: 10
Birth Date: 11 Jul 1884
School: Yerbury Road School
Borough: Islington
Admission Date: 29 Oct 1894
Parent: Fred A Gill
Notes: Yerbury Road School (0631) opened 1884. In 1951 renamed Yerbury Primary School
Reference Number: LCC/EO/DIV03/YER/AD/001


address - 9 Hampden Road

The witness names on the marriage certificate are really hard to read but they look like J I cannot decipher the whole forename but the surname looks like Tattershall and M Anne Strakell. But it is really hard to read, so this may be incorrect.

The Sam and James Rayne are really becoming a mystery. The marriage cert and Rhoda's death cert spell it Rayne.

Meant to say. The other odd thing is that on the 1911 census with Dora Gill it states her as a widow, yet on the marriage cert it state Frederick Gill's occupation as Foreman at ...........????? which I cannot read

The age of Sam on the marriage cert looks like either 47 or 41 years. Rhoda is definately 41

What address do they have on cert?