Genealogy Chat

Ozi, I thankyou for your help, thanks to you I can know build up a history of the past resident's of Berkeley House for the current owners, who have no knowledge of the house history and are very keen to know any information.
It is beyond me why anyone would ask for research help from very kind people on the net if this was not the case, Reggie.
Thanks to all that helped.

Well, frankly, I would be less than happy if I found that someone was researching my home without having consulted me

It comes under the heading 'courtesy', in my book

I wasn't questioning your motives.........I'm sure they are entirely altruistic

However, on a purely practical note...if you haven't spoken to the house's owners about this, how do you know that they don't already have all the info? Or that they are even remotely interested in it?

By process of elemination, referring to the 1911 Summary Book and because the population is stable, I reckon Thomas Roger Barfield the woodcarver lives at your address between 1861 & 1901 censuses.

Haven't sorted 1851 or 1841.

Ozi

Reggie,
Some people do have a genuine interest in family history with no sinister motives!!!

Thanks again for your help. As I have been interested in genealogy and history in general for many years, I thought it would be nice to be able to share some historical information with my neighbours about their house and discovering more about the history of this lovely village.
Regards
Nicky

Not if they're mortgagees, and does it matter whether they've asked her, Nicola is interested.

Ozi

The current residents.....if they are the owners.....should have the Deeds of the property, which will give them far more info than anything on line.

Have they actually asked you to do this?

I was in Greens butchers this morning, unfortunately not the same Green family just a coincidence and the butchers shop is at 21 High St and is the location of the first Greens butchers more than 10 doors away from berkeley House.

It is in the Summary Books, not the individual householder's forms.

Ozi

I just looked at the census image for George Green in 1911, this may seem like a silly question but I can't see a mention of Berkeley House or any house number? Am I missing something that tells you whereabouts on the High St the Green family lived?

In 1881 George is living with his widowed mother and siblings at (once again) Ingatestone St. The next household has Market Place as its address.

You would know that Greens Family Butchers still trade today so you'll be able to start there if it's in the same hands.

Green & Sons, butchers are in an 1894 Kellys directory but unfortunately no address. It names residents of Ingatestone with some addresses but no Berkeley House.

http://www.historicaldirectories.org - a free site and well worth checking.



Ozi

Thanks for the 1911 census info, that's great I know a name to go on. Well done
Many thanks to all who replied.
Kind regards
Nicky

The next household but one has 'near Furze Hall'. So not sure he's at Berkeley House.

1901 England Census
Name: George Green
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Gertrude C Green
Gender: Male
Where born: Blackmore, Essex, England
Civil parish: Ingatestone and Fryerning
Ecclesiastical parish: Fryerning St Mary
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Street Address: Ingatestone St
Occupation: Butcher
Registration district: Chelmsford
Sub-registration district: Ingatestone
Piece: 1669
Folio: 147
Page Number: 20
Household Members: Name Age
George Green 39
Gertrude C Green 31
Hiera G Green 6
Evelyn M Green 5
George J Green 3
Edgar W Green 1
Cecilia A Wood 26 - sister-in-law; Butcher's Clerk
Francis E Watts 17 - serv
Mary A Halls 14 - serv

The 1911 Summary Books has a George Green living at Berkeley House.


1911 England Census
Name: George Green
Age in 1911: 47
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Blackmore, Ingatestone
Civil parish: Ingatestone and Fryerning
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Street Address: High St, Ingatestone, Essex
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Butcher & Grazier
Registration district: Chelmsford
Registration District Number: 194
Sub-registration district: Ingatestone
Piece: 10036
Household Members: Name Age
George Green 47
Gertrude C Green 40
Hilda G Green 16
Evelyn M Green 15
George J Green 13
Edgar W Green 11

The Blackmore history site seems to be the only info and photo I can find, I moved to Ingatestone recently and would like to find some history of this lovely house for the current residences who have lived there for over 30 years.

I think it has been Berkeley House for many years, there is Berkeley cottage at the rear of the house which I think was part of the main house which may explain the 13a High St address.

How did you come by this address in the first place?
Jan

It looks as if it may have been called the London Road in 1881. Unfortunately Ingatestone is small enough that people didn't bother with numbers for their houses. Even in 1911 it seems.

Have you seen this though?
http://www.blackmorehistory.co.uk/ingatestone_1985.html


Update: In 1911, London Road and High Road are both used.

I would like to know when the house was built of course but more interested in who lived there from 1890 onwards.
Thanks for replying

Can't see it 1911. Maybe it had a different name?
Jan