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He is the grandfather of my husband. My mother in law gave me his date of birth and his name, but as she is getting a bit senile I can't guarantee where he was born. She says he was Irish. I know he was never married to her mother, so that line of investigation is out.
The information I have is 5th February 1875. Maybe in Cork. But he was in Islington when my mother in law was born. She says he was in the army then (1928) but doesnt remember when he left the forces. He was a stone mason after that.
I have a death record. Would the death certificate give me any indication of his birth?
Anyone have any ideas of how to find him? I have only just started at this, and although I have found some lovely people with some great info on other parts of the family, I just cant find him! :-S

Hi - 'unknown'!
Welcome to the boards.
Firstly, his death cert might well show birthplace, assuming the informant knew it. Do you know who the informant was? If not, it's worth getting for this info. alone.
Also check for matches with other members - you never know! Use 'search all trees', found under search box above right.
Jan

Is this the death you mean? Not sure if certs gave birthplace at this time.

Name: William A Marshall
Birth Date: abt 1875
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1945
Age at Death: 70
Registration district: Islington
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume: 1b
Page: 189

EDIT a tree on Ancestry has this man, I don't think it's yours is it? They do have him as a marble cutter though, interestingly.

Jan

Another question! Do you know why he didn't marry your grandmother? I assume he was already married, particularly as he would have been about 53 when your mother was born.

1911 possible one to keep "just in case" ift fits when you find more info.?? perhaps he didn't marry as he was already married(as happened with my grandparents)
RG14PN914 RG78PN32 RD10 SD6 ED12 SN24
Reg. District: Islington
Sub District: Islington South East
Parish: Islington
Enum. District: 12
Address: 5a 1 Ebenezer Buildings
County: London
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
MARSHALL, William Head Married M 37 1874 Masons Labourer Bloomsbury London
MARSHALL, Rosechie Wife Married
12 years F 30 1881 House Wife Shoreditch London
MARSHALL, William Son M 10 1901 St Lukes London
MARSHALL, Amelia Daughter F 6 1905 Essex Stanford Le Hope
MARSHALL, Mary Ann Daughter F 5 1906 St Lukes London
MARSHALL, Arthur Son M 3 1908 Shoreditch London
MARSHALL, Amanda Daughter F 2 1909 St Lukes London
FOSTER, Charles Vincent Boarder Single M 37 1874 House Painter Bristolgate Wiltshire

Interestingly Jansmith, this is the man on that Ancestry tree. His wife was Charlotte Rosetta Beetles. They had 6 children.
According to them his birthdate was 14.10.1875. His wife re-married just 6 weeks after he died (she was 64) , which implies to me that the marriage might well have been over.
Maybe he is our fella then!
Jan

27 Shepperton Rd Islington in 1920

William Alfred Marshall
Charlotte Rosetta
George Charles
William George


Same address in 1926 - just the parents

Just a thought. Is it likely that someone 53 years old (1875~1928) would be in the army?

What's the name of William's partner?

In 1929 there's a William Alfred Marshall with an Amy Agnes in Willesden.

This combination of names is not common: most of them are the other way round.

In 1828 in Islington there's a WAMarshall with Ellen Deere

We need to know when he died at least don't we.
Jan

Okay, He died 9th August 1945 aged 70 in islington Vol 1b pg 189. So, yes thats exactly right. I dont know if he was married previously, but the reason he never married Jessie Vaux, nee Warr is that she was already married. Her husband filed for divorce but she never completed it.
Mother in law gave his date of birth as 5th Februar 1875.
However, she also said he had a brother George, so the above looks promising. And, 27 Shepperton Road is where my mother in law was born!
It looks like he was married before and the wife and kids left and he moved Jessie in......
How did you find the 1926 record? If fact how do you guys find stuff so fast?
:-D Thanks, I will go and have a look at the stuff you found and see if I can connect him.

1881??
RG number: RG11
Piece: 320
Folio: 8
Page: 12
Reg. District: St Giles
Sub District: St George Bloomsbury
Parish: St Giles in the Fields and St George Bloomsbury
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 11, Woburn Mews W, St Giles In The Fields And St George Bloomsbury
County: London, Middlesex
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
MARSHALL, George Head Married M 44 1837 Coachman Dom Serv
Elvedon, Suffolk
MARSHALL, Mary Ann Wife Married F 37 1844
Morton, Oxfordshire
MARSHALL, George C Son Single M 8 1873 Scholar
London Bloomsbury, London, Middlesex
MARSHALL, William A Son Single M 5 1876 Scholar
London Bloomsbury, London, Middlesex
MARSHALL, Elizabeth A Daughter Single F 3 1878 Scholar
London Bloomsbury, London, Middlesex
MARSHALL, Thomas H Son Single M 1 1880 Scholar
London Bloomsbury, London, Middlesex
THOMAS, Ruth E Niece Single F 4 1877 Scholar
London Bloomsbury, London, Middlesex

This looks like the 1911 census family in 1901;

1901 England Census about William Marchan
Name: William Marchan
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Rose Marchan
Gender: Male
Where born: Dublin, Ireland
Civil parish: Shoreditch
Ecclesiastical parish: St Augustine
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Shoreditch
Sub-registration district: Haggerston
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 151
Piece: 279
Folio: 184
Page Number: 30
Household Members:
Name Age
William Marchan 29
Rose Marchan 20
William Marchan 11 Months

Their marriage;

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Charlotte Rosina Beetles
Name: Charlotte Rosina Beetles
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Spouse Name: William Alfred Marshall
Spouse Age: 23
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 7 Aug 1899
Parish: Haggerston St Augustine
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: George Frederick Beetles
Spouse Father Name: George Patrick Marshall >> Coachman deceased
Register Type: Parish Register

The 27 Shepperton Road address is from the London electoral registers.

In 1930 listed at no 27 there's

William Alfred Marshall
Rosetta Marshall
Jessie Vaux
Francis William Carter
Ellen Martha Deare

In 1927

Jessie Vaux is with William Vaux at 25 Felton Street


In 1939 still at number 27
William Alfred Marshall
Jessie Vaux
Ivy Vaux


In 1960 Jessie is on her own at number 43

She's at 43 in 1955 with Patrick Marshall

In 1945 William and Jessie are at 43 so the move must have happened before he died.

Her marriage:

Name: William Charles Vaux
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887
Spouse Name: Jessie Warr ********transcribed Wass
Spouse Age: 19
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 19 Apr 1908
Parish: Shoreditch St Anne
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: William Charles Vaux
Spouse Father Name: Richard Warr
Register Type: Parish Register

Name: William Charles Vaux
Birth Date: 11 Aug 1889
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1969
Age at Death: 80
Registration district: Havering
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume: 5c
Page: 132

looks like 1881 census fits with details from marriage info i.e father's name and occupation