Genealogy Chat

But then again, if Reggie is right he wouldn't have been eligible to vote anyway! (Your other thread, posted 7/9/12) So would never appear on the ER.

Hi,

No luck with finding him in Hill Road, at any number I'm afraid. I've sent a PM with the occupants of 78 though - just in case the names mean anything to you.

OK, will check a couple of years either side - but I'm pretty sure the marriage certificate said 70 - hand written on parish original.

I know you're not local, but Hill Road was (& is) quite a prosperous area of Barrow, large semi-detached houses, which in a town of mainly terraced houses is quite up-market. If your Joseph was in Barrow and a thermal engineer, chances are he was working at the shipyard - his digs may have been organised through there.

I'll let you know what I find on Tuesday.

1953 - number 78 Hill Road Barrow please :-)

RO isn't open until Tuesday, but I'm going there to check out something else out.

What exactly do you want checking - year and address? Sorry but it's not clear from your last post.

Hopefully one person I am in contact with, from Joseph's mother's sister's family, has some certificates she is going to send so I am waiting to see what she's got first.

You could do me a favour please and look up 78 hill road barrow, for 1953. Just had some info from an electoral roll 2008 that shows Atkinsons living there, haven't done much research on the Atkinsons but it's a big family!, so just wondering if it was a typo on the certificate before, 78 not 70? Maybe this house has been in the family years and he stayed there? If you've got time I'd be gratefrul, again it's a long shot!


Thank you again!

Hopefully one person I am in contact with, from Joseph's mother's sister's family, has some certificates she is going to send so I am waiting to see what she's got first.

You could do me a favour please and look up 78 hill road barrow, for 1953. Just had some info from an electoral roll 2008 that shows Atkinsons living there, haven't done much research on the Atkinsons but it's a big family!, so just wondering if it was a typo on the certificate before, 78 not 70? Maybe this house has been in the family years and he stayed there? If you've got time I'd be gratefrul, again it's a long shot!


Thank you again!

The old phone books are on A* - that's where I found the phone number and name of occupant.

I think you may be onto the right family, it could be worth sending for the death certificate - see who registered Joseph's death and it should give his occupation or past occupation (so long as the informant knew it). A thermal engineer was on the marriage certificate, so you would expect to find him as some sort of engineer.

I've had friends who were 2nd/3rd generation Irish, but the family still considered themselves Irish. So your grandmother may have married into such a family. However, we can all go down the wrong family routes, it may be time to splash out on a couple of certificates to substansiate your research.

If you need any more Barrow look-ups you know where I am!

Yes that is Joseph's mother, she died in childbirth. Presumably the child also died as there is no record for the birth, only her death. Children that survived, Joseph 1921, Michael 1927, Sarah 1929, Kathleen 1931. Of these, only Sarah is still alive.

My great grandfather was living there with his wife, daughter (my gran) and my grandfather, in his last years he went to live with his son and died there later on. Apparently he was in WW1 and suffered with what sounds like "shell shock" post traumatic stress.

How did you find the phone records? I would like to have a look at that as I am getting quite a collection of addresses for the last 50 or so years!

The more I find out the more likely it seems this IS the right family. I hope so or I've spent a lot of time researching the wrong people! Things like the names of Josephs parents (Michael and Sarah Ann), my mothers middle name is Ann and my uncles is Michael, seems natural Joseph would want to keep the names as a reminder of his parents. Also my mom told me that my nan, who was a dance teacher, studied dancing in many places including London, also in Manchester so she could have met Joseph there. And my mom has vague memories that Joseph may have had family in Manchester area. So it all seems to be tying together. It's possible my nan thought of him as "Irish" because he would presumably have had at least a bit of an Irish accent growing up with Irish parents, even though he was born in Salford.

The phone books have your great-grandfather listed at that address 1957-63 (W A H Atkinson) on Wolverhampton 52117! Not that this is much help, the phone books only record the main householder.

2 of the children died - Rosemary b1922 d1923, Veronica M B1924 d 1925, which leaves 3 by the looks of it. Michael, Sarah J & Kathleen.

Deaths Dec 1933 (>99%)
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Logan Sarah A 34 Salford 8d 407

Possible death for Joseph's mother - would tie in with your information. Looks like Joseph had a number of siblings born Salford, between 1921 & 1931 - you'll find them on freebmd. That's assuming this is the right family!

OK I wasn't sure what the ER would have on it. This was the address my mother and uncle grew up at, my grandmother, her parents and joseph logan bought it and had a joint mortgage on it until my gran and joseph divorced and he left, as I said I'm not too sure on dates as my mom and uncle were only young at the time, although joseph would have definately been there mid to late 1950s possibly early 1960s.

Not clear what happened to him after he left, my mom and uncle never heard from him again, whether my gran did I don't know and as she has died I won't be able to find out!

Josephs mother died when he was about 10, I know at least 1 of his siblings was sent off to live with relatives, she's not sure what happened to her siblings although her father kept in contact. I know 1 of his brothers moved to Ireland although whether he stayed there we don't know.

I am checking out the possible remarriage and death in Salford, it is possible after he divorced my gran he went home to Salford, then again he could have gone to Ireland with his brother.

I think this is going to be a long search!

I can't help with a look-up in Staffs, but the ER won't give a date or place of birth. There's nothing I can see in the phone books A* has online, but as there was a possible remarriage and death in Salford where did this address come from?

Can anyone help me with this please? I am looking for someone who can search the electoral roll for Tettenhall area 1953 - 1960, looking for information on my grandfather Joseph Patrick Logan. Especially a date or place of birth. I think I have "found" him (birth registry etc) but want to be sure, the address was 31 pendeford avenue although I don't know the exact year they moved in, or when he moved out. I don't know how these searches work if anyone can help please! Thank you

Flip thank you so much for all your help it must have taken you ages!

I have been away last 2 days with no internet, just read all this I am going to sit down now and try to sort it out. Seems like you might be right about Salford, will have to check that out. I have also looked for JP Logans born in Ireland around 1920/1921 and can't find any that fit. Isn't it amazing, only 2 generations back from me yet family don't know accurate information!

Thank you again, and to Rose, looks like you were right about Salford too! Thank you, yes it's given me a lot to think about!

To add, I think you should check out the Salford birth posted earlier in the thread by Rose. I can't see a birth for Joseph Patrick in Ireland in the right time frame. Also, there is a death for a Michael Joseph Logan in Salford in 1983, giving a dob of 17/11/1905 - could be his father.

It's not that common a name combination, but I think the birth of Michael Joseph is a year out, the birth is registered Salford in Q4/1904. This is the only Michael Logan born 1904-6.

If the above is correct, the family were on the 1911 census at 15 Rosamund Street, Salford,

Thomas, 38 Railway Porter born Askeaton Co Limerick
Margaret, 28 born Cahir, Co Tipperary
Michael 6 Salford
Mary 4 Salford
Margaret 2 Salford
Thomas O'Brien 30, railway porter, Cahir, Co Tipperary.

A bit for you to check out!

A bit more info for you - the ER's didn't take long so I looked at some parish records.

Joseph Patrick was a thermal engineer and his father a moulder. Eunice Florence Atkinson was a teacher, and her father an insurance agent. (All from marriage certificate)

Eunice's parents William Arthur Atkinson and Forence Ingam were married at St Matthews 19/4/1926, he was a commercial traveller aged 28, of 12 Settle Street, father George Richard Atkinson, also a commercial traveller. Florence was 25 of 39 Roose Road, father Alfred Ingham a builder. The witnesses were W A H? Atkinson & Florence Atkinson.

William Arthur Atkinson was born in Barrow in 1897, and the mmn has been mistranscribed as Wynett, it shoud be Mynott or Mynett. His parents George Richard Atkinson and Phoebe Mynett were married at St Matthews 2/9/1896. He was 22, a grinder of 16 York Street, father Heslingon? (Not clear) Atkinson, a grocer. She was 25 of 61 Duke Street, father William Mynett a mariner. The witnesses were Samuel Swindlehurst/William Arthur ? (unreadable)/Sarah Mynett.

You will find Florence age 11 on the 1911 census at 39 Roose Road, with her parents. She was born in Blackpool, father born Lancashire & mother born Little Eccleston, Lancs.

You will find William with his parents in 1911 at James Watt Terrace, he was born Barrow, but his father was born Hull and mother born Pelsell, Staffordshire.

That's about it from the limited searches done at the records office.

Added: Forgot to mention, there was a correction to Joseph/Eunice marriage. It was added in the margin the witnesses were E H Atkinson (her brother?) and Audrey Pounder.

OK, you can only go on what you've been told - but I went to a convent school and we celebrated St Patrick's day with an England/Ireland hockey match, and I don't think any of the "Irish" were actually born there - their families originally came from Ireland though!

Back to electoral rolls, no luck with 70 Hill Road I'm afraid. The only recorded occupants 1952/3/4 were Maurice Martin-Scott and Doris Elizabeth Martin-Scott. However the houses on Hill Road are quite large so it's possible he was lodging with them at the time of his marriage.

229 Abbey Road, has William Arthur Atkinson, Forence Atkinson, Eric Heslington Atkinson & Eunice Florence Atkinson in 1952/3, but just William and Florence in 1954.

I've got some more info, but dinner is ready - will post up later.

Added - Eric is Eunice's brother, but birth reg Tadcaster, Q2 1928.

That is what my mother told me. Also apparently after my grandmother divorced him she always hated the Irish because of him! Not saying it's impossible that he was born somewhere else, just going on what I've been told.