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My friends father many years ago tried to get his birth cert but as it was in Somerset House at the time of the fire many years ago he was told ob no.

I think i know the answer but would there be anywhere else that might have held duplicates.

Thanks Pam

I've just Googled various combinations of fire, Somerset House, birth certs, etc and the only thing I have found is reference to war stuff destroyed in 1943.

The original would still be available at the Registrar's office where the birth was registered. Sorry. Meds to combat migraine making my brain muzzy so I don't seem feel certain about anything right now.

See if you can find it on FreeBMD or if you can't, post details on here and one of us will try to find it for you.

xJ

Thanks Jill,hope you feel better soon .
We dont know much on him as we have his marriage cert and no fathers name was on it .From that i have his name Charles William Perrin birth about 1901 married Florence Maud Welch 1923 Willesden Middlesex.Apart from that the family know nothing more,so not sure it can be found

When did Charles Perrin die?

On the marriage cert, what is his occupation?

Not sure Janice ,all i know is before 1981 .Just trying to think back poss between 1975 and 1981 sorry not much help on that

Births Jun 1903 ?

Perrin Charles William Romford 4a 555

Roy

also
Births Dec 1894

Perrin Charles William Lambeth 1d 434

Births Dec 1895

Prime Charles William Lewisham 1d 1104

Any suspects here from the place of death?

Charles William Perrin 1888 Jan-Feb-Mar 1976 Hackney London
Charles William Perrin 1894 Jan-Feb-Mar 1974 Lichfield Staffordshire
Charles William Perrin 1903 Jul-Aug-Sep 1976 Paddington London
Charles William Perrin 1906 Oct-Nov-Dec 1976 Peterborough Cambridgeshire
Charles William Perrin 1912 Apr-May-Jun 1973 Birmingham Warwickshire

Just for ref:
Marriages Dec 1923
Perrin Charles W Welch Willesden 3a 634
Welch Maud F Perrin Willesden 3a 634

Just found a Charles William Perrin born 1903 died 1976 Paddington that is a good poss if that helps

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Charles Perrin
Age in 1911: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1904
Relation to Head: Inmate
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Becontree Heath, Essex
Civil parish: Romford
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Street Address: Scattered Homes, 5 Laurie Square, Romford
Registration district: Romford
Registration District Number: 191
Sub-registration district: Romford
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Household schedule number: 108
Piece: 9829

Occupation motor driver on marriage cert

A wide span of births

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

Births Sep 1891 (>99%)
Perrin Charles William Cardiff 11a 403
Births Mar 1894 (>99%)
Perrin Charles William Chorlton 8c 877
Births Dec 1894 (>99%)
Perrin Charles William Lambeth 1d 434
Births Jun 1903 (>99%)
Perrin Charles William Romford 4a 555
Births Dec 1903 (>99%)
Perrin Charles William Portsmouth 2b 505

Births Jun 1904 (>99%)
Perrin Charles William Malton 9d 422
Births Sep 1906 (>99%)
PERRIN Charles William Peterbro 3b 236
Births Dec 1906 (>99%)
Perrin Charles William Whittlesey 3b 497

I think this is the Charles born Romford. Unfortunately not possible to say if this child was illegitimate. Your friend might need to risk getting the birth cert.:

1911 England Census

Name: Charles Perrin
Age in 1911: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1903
Relation to Head: Nephew
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Ham, Essex, England (Says Dagenham on image)
Civil parish: St Marylebone
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 71 East St
Registration district: St Marylebone
Registration District Number: 7
Sub-registration district: St Mary

William Barker 49
Annie Barker 39
William Charles Barker 20
Charles Perrin 8

Jan

Patcham,i also found that but all we know is he had 1 or 2 sisters and poss a brother no names known as yet

Worth checking trees on here as a few possible contacts for you to maybe help.

Jan , that could be a good poss.

In 1905, the Romford Guardians decided to adopt the scattered homes system for its pauper children. Two large semi-detached houses were purchased for use as a receiving and probationary home. Initially, thirty children were housed there under the care of a foster mother and one assistant. On 24th September, 1907, Gertrude Smedley was appointed foster mother of the "cottage homes" at 3, Adelaide Villas, Mawneys, Romford — aged only 19 years she was the youngest ever foster mother employed by the union.. By 1914, there were children's Homes at 5-8 Laurie Square, and 1-2 the Croft, Heath Park Road. In 1914, there were scattered homes operating at Gilmore House, 36 Pelham Road, and Richmond House, 38 Pelham Road, Ilford. In 1929, there were homes at 26-28 Manor Road, 42-44 Brentwood Road, and on King Edward Road.

The address for that census was 5 Laurie Square, so looks like Charles was effectively in the workhouse.

Thank you all for your help,i will check tree's and wait to see if any of my friends family can come up with any siblings names.Trouble is he never spoke about his family

Who were the witnesses on the marriage certificate? They might help find the right Charles in the 1911 census.

Kath. x

Who were the witnesses on his marriage cert? Also, if you have an address, it is possible to look at the electoral register to see if other occupants offer any clues.
Jan