Genealogy Chat

Hi, have just found this thread, it just so happens I am trying to find the Parents of my Great Grandmothers' first Husband Abraham Cross on the 'Find Ancestors Board'

Am currently working on the possibility that the Abram Cross shown as a Stepson of Joseph Craney in the 1871 Census is my Abraham therefore Making his Mother Johanna who married James Craney.

She was Joanna Power born Waterford, Ireland, She married Christian Henry Cross a 'Ships Cook' at the Church of St Paul, Liverpool on the 7th July 186I, Her Father was shown as being John Power a Corn Dealer and his Father was Shown as 'Bastion Cross a Cook Born Lancashire.

How ever can not find any records for either' Bastian [possibly short for Sebastian] or Christian Henry Cross other than in this Parish Marriage Entry

Also have a Parish Marriage Entry for James Craney and Johanna Power at St Martin in the Fields, Vauxhall. Liverpool on 2nd Dec 1882. James' Father is Shown as Alexander Craney and Johanna's' Father is shown as John Power.Both Fathers being Deceased.

Though interestingly she is shown as living at the same address 21 Tatlock Street as the Groom and is shown as a Spinster!!!!
The possibility is that she may have left Christian Cross and as she would have been unable to divorce was in fact stating herself to be Single. Especially as she was living as the Wife of James Craney according to the 1871 Census. at least 11 years before she and James Married.

I have the Fennel they move to london most of them died it makes it so hard when there ages are all over the place

We crossed cos I didn't reload the page ,

so she told porkies on the marriage certs saying she was a spinster

1871
Name: James Craney
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Johanna Craney
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark
Town: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: St Thomas
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Household schedule number: 68
Piece: 3777
Folio: 99
Page Number: 15
Household Members:
Name Age
James Craney 22
Johanna Craney 26
Alexd Craney 5 Months
Abram Cross 3
Mary Cross 7

Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 3777; Folio: 99; Page: 15; GSU roll: 841890.

they are all over the place with the ages Alexander on here is 5 months old so b c1870

Johanna must have been married before cos the Cross children are down as step children


1861 census transcription details for: 3, Albion Place, Liverpool


National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG09
Piece: 2671
Folio: 16
Page: 26
Reg. District: Liverpool
Sub District: 4 St George
Parish: Liverpool
Enum. District: 1
Ecclesiastical District: St Johns
City/Municipal Borough: Liverpool
Address: 3, Albion Place, Liverpool
County: Lancashire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
CRANEY, Elizabeth Head Widow F 56 1805 House Keeper
Belfast, Ireland
CRANEY, Alexander Son Unmarried M 21 1840 Carter
Liverpool, Lancashire
CRANEY, James Son Unmarried M 13 1848 Scholar
Liverpool, Lancashire
FENNELL, Elizabeth Daughter Married F 23 1838
Liverpool, Lancashire
FENNELL, John Son In Law Married M 24 1837 Tailor
Liverpool, Lancashire
FENNELL, Martha Daughter Unmarried F 1 1860
Liverpool, Lancashire
EVANS, Ann Servant Unmarried F 11 1850 House Servant
Liverpool, Lancashire
TAYLOR, John Boarder Unmarried M 19 1842 Clay Maker
Liverpool, Lancashire

They were together in the 1871 census Shirley Johanna Power Was previous married to a Cross but that could have bee in Ireland

Am Thinking!!!! as James didn't marry Johanna till 1882 then he must have been married before because Alexander was b circa 1868 ??

I've seen this death for Johanna in Birkenhead and know that she had children in the area but as you say the ages are so far out that it is throughing doubt on it ,
the only thing I can do is to get the death certificate to confirm.

Age well out but its the only one that looks a poss.

Civil Registration event: Death

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Name: CRANEY, Johanna
Registration district: Birkenhead
County: Cheshire
Year of registration: 1910
Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at death: 70
Volume no: 8A
Page no: 303

Alexanders 2nd wife / age is out a bit from the marriage cert of 1902 where she stated she was 36


Deaths Mar 1925
Craney Christina 64 W. Derby 8b 711

Name: Annie Howes
Birth Date: 8 Jul 1892
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1969
Age at Death: 77
Registration district: Liverpool
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 10d
Page: 766

Deaths Sep 1901
CRANEY James 42 Liverpool 8b 95

2 certs sent one for Annie Tyrer second marriage and the one for Alexander of 1902 where he stated his dad James was deceased

Going for cuppa will be back later

WOW it Could be Shirley all this is coming at me so fast need to take a look at it so I am going to have a cuppa and start some researching thanks for all your help folks I will check your post later and reply thanks a million.

she was Johanna but perhaps she dint like it ??

Births Sep 1892

Craney Johanna W. Derby 8b 373

TYRER, HENRY GEORGE

Rank:
Private
Service No:
357789
Date of Death:
30/04/1917
Age:
25
Regiment/Service:
The King's (Liverpool Regiment)

"A" Coy. 2nd/10th Bn.
Grave Reference
II. B. 24.
Cemetery
ERQUINGHEM-LYS CHURCHYARD EXTENSION
Additional Information:
Husband of Annie Tyrer, of 7, Waterhouse St., Everton, Liverpool.

several children

Births Sep 1912 (>99%)
Tyrer Alexander H Craney W.Derby 8b 862
Births Jun 1914 (>99%)
TYRER Henry G Craney W.Derby 8b 1021
Births Mar 1916 (>99%)
Tyrer William J Craney W. Derby 8b 894

Marriages Sep 1911
Craney Annie West Derby 8b 1022
Tyrer Henry G West Derby 8b 1022


so think this may well be Johanna the daughter

??
Name: Annie Tyrer widow
Birth Year: abt 1893
Age: 26
Marriage Date: 28 Apr 1919
Parish: Everton St George
Spouse's Name: George Henry Howes
Father's Name: Alexander Craney occ carter
Spouse Father's Name: William Benjamin Howes

same address 45 Havelock Street


if you want this one too !!! :-D

Thanks Shirley I did not have that record something I can look into and That maybe my record on ancestry Maddie