Genealogy Chat

Ask her to put you straight, and await results.

Buying certs is important?
Evidently not for some......
I have just received an email from a contact ,to be told quite impolitely, that I have many sons born to a family of brothers, all mixed up.
I am told that I identified the wrong son from a family, and married him off to the wrong woman.
The contact says that she has ALL the correct info "straight on paper", and can put me right!
What does that mean?
I never add anything to a tree that I cannot prove, and I hold EVERY marriage and/ or death certificate for these men.
I obtained the correct documents as my evidence.
I wonder where she got hers?

I have had two things like this with wrong details added or extra details to those needed.. One was (and may still be) on a large one name study where it had my Great Grandfather dying young when he lived into old age. I contacted the person in control of the study and got no response at all. Not my problem!!

The other was Somebody added the whole of my tree including my OH's tree to his tree (This was from Genes) despite me asking him to only take those names applicable to him. His reply was that the aim of sharing trees was to create one world wide tree and he refused to remove any names from his tree. I don't open my tree any more although am only too pleased to share applicable details and help others with research.

I have been very lucky as my relatives are from London and I have managed to download a lot of batptisms and marriages from Ancestry.

On my mother's side her later relatives came from a small village in Norfolk and on IGI they have photocopied Parish Records for BMD's.

It means looking through the whole book which can be a bit tiring but have found so much information. Unfortunately one of my ancestors born in the early 1800 had a very common Christian and Surname and on each Census they mention a different village in Suffolk (then moved to Norfolk) so I am still not sure they are the correct parents for the next generation and really don't know how to check it more throughly.

I am not sure if Gr altered their policy on this but a few years ago, when I found myself on a search, the tree owner had already hidden living people.
It seems that even although they were hidden within the tree, they were still found a search.
To get over this obstacle, I overtype names with NOT AVAILABLE, and do not include birth/death or marriage info.
This relates to myself, my husband and our parents only, as we are all required to be on the tree for linking the two families together.

I have never included our siblings or our children in any tree.
Anne

Elizabeth
He should not have added you, or any other living person without your permission and I would certainly ask him to remove yo, and ask GR's help if he doesn't do that.

I am interested in any blood line which has a common ancestor and would probably contact someone to help fill in the missing generation details, but certainly wouldn't add them to an online tree.

Gwyn

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If this person is in the same generation as you, then he is your 4th cousin.
I too was horrified to find myself in someone elses tree.
I explained to the owner that I preferred my privacy and was concerned about my personal security. He obliged and has since removed details of all living people from his tree.
He admitted that the personal security issues of living people hadn't occurred to him.

I get confused-not difficult :-(

Hot Matches on here (3 weeks ago) brought up someone with ME and my brother in their tree.

I contacted them to point out that we were both very much alive (albeit ancient !) and what was the connection.

He replied " oh someone in my mothers line" and gave me two names.

I traced back and discovered that our common ancester was a 3xgt grandfather (1768-1842) who had 12 children.

I descend from a son through the male line,he from a daughter.

How can he claim me as an ANCESTOR or even a relation ?

I know I can get GR to remove me but in truth he could have got it from FreeBMD !!

I agree Reggie.
Luckily, my dad signed his father's death cert and gave all the info.
It contained both his current name, his former name and his birth parents.

This led me to correctly locate his birth record and the death record for his mother who died 10days later

Buying certs is useful ONLY if the CORRECT ones are bought

Hi Jax,
Yes I know what you mean.
On his marriage cert my grandfather listed his adoptive parents as his parents. I had no reason to think they were anything other than his parents. Only later, looking for him on census records with this family, did I realise that something wasn't right.
I eventually located his death record which confirmed his birth parents.
He had not only chanfed his last name, but had also changed his 1st name from John to James.
To add to the confusion, he had a full brother called James who was not adopted out of the biological family!

I may have upset a couple of 2nd cousins because I made my tree private? I would happily share if theirs were private too.

When i did have it as a public tree one of them asked me why I had George and not a William as our gt gt grandfather? I told her because that is what it says on their sons marriage cert (our gt grandparents) and tracing them back from that matched up. This was a London cert so she could view it but she has not bothered to take my word for it or change it even though she has it attached to her tree. She has gone back a couple generations with the wrong family ....so be it

The same Cert my gt grandmother listed her father as Edward xxx and spent ages trying to find him, until I found she was illigitimate and just added the name to save face....so sometimes these marriage certs dont help

Lol I gave up years ago looking at "Ancestry Trees" most are just a farce.

Carol ;-)

Hi Looby Loo,
To be honest, I would NEVER withhold info from anyone with a shared ancestry. I truly believe in sharing, as I view this as their family too.
However, I confess that I get more than a little annoyed when another researcher crosses this boundary and lays claim to areas of family that they themselves have no connection to.
I spent years establishing my "true"paternal ancestry ( my grandfather was informally adopted and changed his identity) and so far have found only one other relation connected to this line..
The carefully purchased documents from this portion of my tree, which were made public by the unconnected Mr Creepy, were in fact collected from his tree by others and placed directly on to private ones.
I have no idea who these people are, or if they my are indeed my true relations... they have never responded to any messages!
As my own private tree contains over 2100 documents, photos, newspaper clippings ect, I keep an undocumented copy of it and only give access where appropriate.
None of my trees include info on living or recently deceased people.
Also, I recently helped someone on another forum with his ancestry... only to discover that he has never actually found a familial connection to them.
He wanted to research them because he thinks that one day he will find a link?
Yes.... it was a famous line!

I also agree that there are some rather silly folk who cannot do a simple bit of mathematics.
How many trees have you seen where a child is so much older than his/her parent or with a parent around 100yrs older than the child?

Recently I made contact with an Ancestry member who shared a common ancestor. She gave me permission to view her tree. What I found there astounded me. Our 'common' ancestor was born in 1807 - which was correct. But what I found hard to believe was that she had him fighting in WW1 and dying in Flanders France in 1912 at the grand old age of 105.

She had found someone of the same name and assumed it was the same person. He actually died in 1871.

I have also come across several member's who just collect names and add them to their tree's and claim them as their ancestors.

Like you Anne I am very wary now. I have been bitten before by member's who just want copies of my certificates and then never share any info they know.

Lou

While on the subject of certificates, did you see there may be a new one soon:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-18736372

Just to say that marriage certificates are less important today than they were just a couple of years ago.
the new Familysearch,FMP,Ancestry and others have put a lot of records online.
Remember a certificate is,in most cases,a transcription and could,possibly, be found elsewhere.

OH...... I just realized.
Do you all think that he worked out this crazy relationship all by himself???

Oh No, it's far simpler than that.
Ancestry Trees.

If you own a tree on Anc' there is a facility to work out an EXACT relationship between anyone in the tree to the Home Person .
He selected said great uncle in his own tree, and clicked "view relationship to home person"
As this dude is the home person in his own tree, the post above is indeed "his" EXACT relationship to my relative.
We should all recognise that as soon as the phrase "In law" appears in a relationship, it means that there is NO shared ancestry

ANNE
DIZZI WAS DIZZY WITH HS EXPLINATION
COR,DONT SOME FOLK LIKE TO COMPLICATE THINGS

Each of us can only take responsibility for our own tree - what others do is up to them.

We can offer advice about verification - but they don't have to heed it.