Genealogy Chat

Hi,
If someone is going to the Greenwich Local History centre at the Royal Arsenal, may I ask if you would have a look through the Baptism register for churches nearest to the barracks of Royal Artillery ( St Mary Magdalene was the Parish Church of Woolwich) for the baptism of Joseph Frederick Jones in late 1859 or 1860.
'My' Joseph was only called by one name all his life but as his details have not yet been found, I am taking a suggestion from another GR member who has found a J F Jones registered in 4th quarter 1859 at Lewisham (the local register office at that time.
Josephs father was Frederick, in the Coast Brigade of RA and his mother was either Jane or Mary
Many Thanks, Jim

James, after following your other thread, I have searched on ancestry for a baptism - St Mary Magdalene images are on there - but with no success. Sorry!

The "nearest" church to the barracks was almost certainly within the barracks. Most Barracks, Naval Bases and RAF stations had their own places of worship. As it is apparently no longer used by the RA, I would try contacting the Regiment to see if they have their baptism records anywhere.

Have you found him on any census ?

maybe he wasnt born in this country
Armed Forces registration event: Birth


Name: JONES, Joseph
Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1966
Regiment: Royal Artillery >>>>>
Place: Quebec
Country: Canada
Year: 1857
Volume: 150
Page: 46
Record source: GRO Regimental Birth Indices (1761 to 1924)

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1302178

looks like him .his father is a chelsea pensioner so ex Army

1871 census

Name: Joseph Jones
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Frederick Jones
Mother's name: Mary Jones
Gender: Male
Where born: Woolwich, Kent, England
Civil parish: Birkenhead
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Registration district: Birkenhead
Sub-registration district: Birkenhead
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Household schedule number: 262
Piece: 3745
Folio: 196
Page Number: 48
Household Members:
Name Age
Frederick Jones 42 b Hinckley leics
Mary Jones 40 b Ireland
Joseph Jones 11 b Woolwich
William Jones 9 b birkenhead
Henry Jones 6 b birkenhead
Mary J Jones 2 b birkenhead
Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 3745; Folio: 196; Page: 48; GSU roll: 842136.

Hi Everyone.

Potty, may I ask if you looked for Joseph Frederick Jones & not just Joseph Jones?

Anysmum, Thanks for that possible lead, I will keep mind in mind. However, there was also a chapel at Fort Victoria on the Isle of Wight where Fred was stationed before going to Woolwich but another child Lydia, was baptised at the parish Church of Yarmouth there so I guess it depends on where they were actually living.

Shirley, Joseph is on the 1861 with family at Hartlepool. I am 99.9% sure he was not born abroad

When I started this on Saturday 16th I started with Hartlepool but changed to Durham on another GR members advice. There may still be something come through on there.

Thank you again everyone. Jim

Me again.
Sorry I mis-spelled Andysmum and the first 'mind' on the line should read 'that'.
Shirley, yours must have come on the board as i sent mine. However, yes that is the family and the point is that in some census mother is Jane in others she is Mary. I want to find her death record but need the right name and am trying not to spend too much getting it.

Regards, Jim

There's this birth registration on freebmd:

Joseph Jones - Jan-Mar 1860 - Lewisham - Vol.1d - Page 711

Hi ChristinaS

I have that certificate (and others). Unfortunately, its not the right one.
I have spent some money in the past and have just come back to it. I am now on a fixed income hence the appeal.
Thanks for looking though, regards, Jim

I would guess that Joseph's mother's name was Mary Jane - the same as his sister.

Hi ChristinaS

Josephs mothers name was either Jane as on her marriage cert OR Mary as on later census's. When trying to find the death record for someone with the surname of Jones I have found it is vital to start with the correct Christian name. Jim

When did Frederick die, was she named on the Cert.?...

(something about Widow assistance?, on his Army Papers FMP)

Chris :)

edits (just read through other Thread, see Frederick died in hosp. informant Doctor)

James, I looked at all the images for St Mary Magdalene for 1860 - some Joneses but none with the correct name or parents names. Something to bear in mind, children were often baptised sometime after birth, sometimes in a "batch" with later siblings.

St Mary Magdalen does have a lot of military baptisms.

To save anyone wasting time, James does have another thread about this family which has census info, etc. I will post the link.

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1302178?page=1

Hi again.

Frederick died 1880. His wife was not shown on his death cert as the Dr at the Infirmary was the informant.
You are quite correct re the appeal for 'widows assistance' on Fred's army papers but no name shown there. How did you find that online? I had to get the copies from Kew.


Many Thanks Potty for having a look at St Mary Magdelene. That was one searched by greenwich L H Centre.
Thanks also for posting the thread to the Durham appeal.
Jim

British Army Service Records 1760-1915 (Find My Past)

First name(s): Frederick
Last name: JONES
Calculated year of birth: ?
Parish of birth: Hinkley
Town of birth: Hinkley
County of birth: Leicestershire
Age at attestation:
Attestation date:
Attestation corps: ROYAL REG. OF ARTILLERY
Attestation soldier number:
Discharge rank: Sergeant
Discharge corps: Royal Artillery
Discharge soldier number: 1826
The National Archives reference: WO97 / 1330 / 24
(4 Images)

Chris :)

Hi Chris Ho,
Thanks for posting the information re Fred's army record from F M P.
I never realised before you mentioned it earlier that these records were online. Technology continues to leave me behind! Jim

Lol Jim, nothing beats a trip to Kew, or anywhere else, and doing things the 'old' way!.

Chris :)

Hi Chris,

How right you are, I have spent many happy visits there as well as various other record offices in the London area.
I now live 300 miles away on the edge of the known world and that is the only thing I miss!

Jim