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These records on Ancestry - London England Electoral Rolls 1847-1965 does anyone know the extent of their coverage ? I. E. do you know if they cover Merton, Mitcham, Croydon, Surrey etc

:-S

Why should records that say London include Surrey ?

Since 1889 there have been some major changes in the administrative boundaries of the county of Surrey. This affects the records held at Surrey History Centre.

Until 1889 the ancient county of Surrey extended as far north as the Thames and as far east as Rotherhithe.
In 1889 the County of London was created, and the areas of the modern London boroughs of Lambeth, Southwark and Wandsworth were removed from Surrey. The records of these areas are held either by the London Metropolitan Archives or by the local boroughs, but the Surrey History Centre holds pre-1889 Quarter Sessions records for this area.

From
http://www.surreycc.gov.uk/recreation-heritage-and-culture/archives-and-history/archives-and-history-research-guides/the-administrative-boundaries-of-the-county-of-surrey

Roy

To answer the original question, No, Croydon, Merton etc are not on the Ancestry - London England Electoral Rolls 1847-1965.

There is an entry for Surrey on the drop down menu but it only gives two subdirectories, one for Spelthorne which is in Middlesex and the other is only for 1914 and is for a few London Boroughs such as Battersea Bermondsey, Brixton and the like.

Actually I thought I was asking quite a sensible question. I was stuck because not only do I not live in Surrey but I have also never been there. Looking at the areas on the map they seemed fairly close.
I found
Sutherland Square, Southwark
Boyson Road, Southwark
Lydden Grove, Wandsworth
Asylum Road, Peckham
Khartoum Road, Putney
Could not find
Cowper Road, Wimbledon
Queen's Road, Mitcham

All areas one family lived in between 1930-1960

So a big thank you to Roy for answering my question sensibly.

I feel there was no need for the other reply from the other member ?

It does have records for Lambeth, Richmond, Southwark and Wandsworth.

I also thank Ken as yes I have seen the drop down boxes for Surrey and entries for Spelthorne etc.

Just needed to know because I originally wondered if perhaps the family were dodging the electoral rolls, which would not have surprised me.

Part of the family were living in Battersea, some in Southwark so have found these anyway.

Thank you

Well I thought it was a sensible answer !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Croydon was amalgamated into Greater London in 1965

So why should it be in London Electoral Registers

Merton was an ancient parish in the Brixton hundred of Surrey, England. It was bounded by Wimbledon to the north, Mitcham to the east, Morden to the south and Kingston upon Thames to the west. The 1871 Ordnance Survey map records its area as 1,764.704 acres (7.142 km2). The parish was centred around the 12th century parish church, St. Mary's in Merton Park. The parish had only nominal existence after 1907 when the Merton Parish Council was abolished and the parish formed the Merton Urban District. Merton contributed its name to the London Borough of Merton, although Merton itself is no longer a clearly defined area within the borough; and the parish was abolished on 1 April 1965 when Greater London was created.

"I feel there was no need for the other reply from the other member ?"



Did you bother to check when Merton and Croydon became part of London ?

NO

Glad you received some friendly and helpful replies Nadia ;-) :-D

No idea why you objected to a simple and straight forward answer !!

But then perhaps "google" was too much trouble for you before asking the question.

Quite frankly I object to
" if it was too much trouble for you to look it up why the hell are you on here ?"

I suggest you ask the many of people that I help with genuine lookups as to why I am on here !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



P.S. I do have a board name rather than "other member"

London is currently a very large area but many get confused around London and Greater London

London addresses will have a London postcode ie SE/SW E/EC etc.,
But places in Greater London will be those which were originally in areas such as Surrey, Kent etc.

So although Mictham is classed as Greater London it does not have a London postcode but a Surrey postcode.

I think Glitterbabys original comment was right on. And I too agree that far too many people come on here without ever using 'Google' to find out the most simple of queries for themselves. I too help many people, but am always amazed at the amount of times the query is easily answered by a quick search on google.

So Nadia, you may feel bad about comments, but they have been made openly and honestly.

Glitterbaby, you help many on here all the time, such a shame one person has decided to take umbrage at a perfectly logical answer. :-)

Well I did not send the reply for review but did seriously think about doing it last night but thought it best to leave the comments for other members to see

I'm rather shocked at the way GlitterBaby is attacking people - can't see anything wrong with Nadia's original question. I haven't a clue about any of it and I live in London. GR would have been my first port of call to get the answer.

:-( :-(

I have not attacked anyone !!!!

Read this thread through properly. There was nothing wrong with my original posting.

Unfortunately there is a posting that has been removed by GR after it was sent for review by another member

Then you would have seen who actually attacked who



So before you post "I'm rather shocked at the way GlitterBaby is attacking people" get your facts right okay

If you think I am attacking people then report me to GR

Piglet's Pal - You may be over-simplifying things when you say:

"London is currently a very large area but many get confused around London and Greater London.
London addresses will have a London postcode ie SE/SW E/EC etc.,
But places in Greater London will be those which were originally in areas such as Surrey, Kent etc."

London postal boundries were set for the purposes of the then GPO to suit their needs. In the main they do not coincide with the old London County Council (LCC) boundries, which were set to suit completely different requirements.
As an example, to the west of London Ealing has the postcode W5, West Ealing W13, Acton W3 and Hanwell W7. None of these came under London for council purposes until the GLC was formed in 1965. Until that time they came under Middlesex County Council (and are obviously still Middlesex physically).
The postcode can only be a guide to convey the principal of Greater London and LCC, rather than an exact (or even approximate) translation.
This example is used for showing the principle only, as the LMA happens to hold records for both LCC and Middlesex, so in this case, the location of the records is the same. However, it indicates the point.

I agree about the postcodes Rob

My family mainly came from the Islington or Hackney area which came under London...then they all moved a couple of miles to Walthamstow with the postcode E.17 that was classed as Essex.

I have never seen GlitterBaby be anything but helpful on here
:-D

I will say, because I know from looking myself, that in general terms ( as opposed to specifically the London Electoral records) it's hard to know if an area is listed as London/Middlesex/ Surrey unless you trawl through.

For example on the LMA records, I have found baptisms that are in an area everyone 'knows' as Surrey,...and as for where London begins and Essex starts :-S as Jax says a couple of miles can make all the difference.

But the electoral roll is, as far as I have found at any rate, much less 'variable'.