Genealogy Chat

Don;t know why I stated Cromwell Street,of course I meant Osborne Street.

It was the Scottish fisherman ancestry that supprised me.

GR's Father was Francis Irvine ,lived Cromwell Street North Belfast d c1915 husband of Rosanna
Some one suggested his Father was a Fisherman fom Dunbartonshire but I can find no evidence to establish this as fact.
If you can check this I'd appreciate it

David, Francis lived in Osborne street in both 1901 & 1911 census and clearly states on 1901 census he was born in Ballyclare, plus there a Frank Irvine living at No. 15 Oborne street 1918

I do apologise Maura

David, it was me that give you the information on your family.

I apologise Maure,Ive poster my requst on an inappropriate thread. :-S

Hello Maura,another thread user recommended you.
My family name is Irvine from Duncairn Belfast Co Antim.
My Father wa Samuel Gaway Irvine b 1918 - d 1990
My Father's Father was Samuel Irvine b 1874
His wife was Sarah Margaret McLarnon
GR's Father was Francis Irvine ,lived Cromwell Street North Belfast d c1915 husband of Rosanna
Some one suggested his Father was a Fisherman fom Dunbartonshire but I can find no evidence to establish this as fact.
If you can check this I'd appreciate it

Celticqueen.....Thanks for that....thought I had lost the plot entirely..!!

hi eringobragh

its definately francis.

celticqueen

Celticqueen....Have cast my eye over the thread again and have I been searching for a "Francis" and Mary...??? Why I dont know...... as it only says F Morgan and Mary Campbell on John's MC...
Have you looked under Felix/Fred. as alternatives....or is it Francis.....???

Many thanks to Maura, Eringobragh, Kath & Slartibartfast for all your help with my topic.

Celticqueen

Michael Morgan who married Rose mulholland father's a Eugen

Truthfully its up to yourself, but I think your only going to get the same info. as the church record, but without the added information that was on the church record

Hi Eringobragh

Thanks for that info - never gave it a thought to check same area.

Will look into it.

regards

celticqueen

Celticqueen...It may be worthwhile checking out the marriage of Mick Morgan (25yrs) and Rose Mulholland..they are living with the Mulholland's (Bernard) just a couple of doors up from John and his g.father 1901.....
Mick.is deceased by 1911 but Rose is still at home....
It may give a clue to whether they are related.....

Hi Maura

So all in all do you think i should get both birth & marriage certificates to verify all this?

regards

celticqueen

Theres no birth coming up for a John Campbell Morgan, only John Morgan 1884 registered in Downpatrick.

I had a similar problem with one of mine, he was on the census as my granny's brother, but infact he was my granny's nephew, he was registered under his father's name, but was reared by my great grandparents and known by their name rather than his real name.

Hi Maura

Yes that's him with his grandad on the 1901 census.

I found him on 1911 census as previous post.

Like you - i cannot find any other siblings of john.

Still confusing the hell out of me! :-S

Celticqueen

Hi Eringobragh

I think this is my only option now to get the original birth certificate of John Morgan/Campbell and marriage certificate to see if there is further information on them.

On the 1901 Census - John Morgan - age 15 - is living with his Grandad John Campbell at 49 Annsborough Town, Dundrum, Co. Down.

On the 1911 Census John Murgan (mis-transcribed) & Alice are living with his mother-in-law at 11 Ballybannon, Dundrum, Co. Down.

regards

celticqueen

Is this him with his grandfather

s1901DownDundrumAnnsborough TownResidents of a house
Residents of a house 49 in Annsborough Town (Dundrum, Down)
Show all informationSurname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion Birthplace Occupation Literacy Irish Language Marital Status Specified Illnesses
Morgan John 15 Male Grand Son Roman Catholic Co Down Mechine Boy in Mill Read and write - Not Married -
Campbell John 67 Male Head of Family Roman Catholic Co Down Farm Labourer Read only - Widower

There does'nt seem to be any other children to Francis & Mary, so they could of died when John was very young and he was reared with his mother's people, hence him being known more as a Campbell than Morgan.

Celticqueen...It could be as simple as he carried both surnames ...Campbell Morgan

Given his mother was a Campbell and his father a Morgan....it would not be uncommon to do so...

You would need to get the original Birth/ Baptismal Cert to clarify if he was registered as John Campbell Morgan....
"Transcriptions" dont always pick up "double" surnames.

The only John "Morgan" and Alice I have located 1911 (Co.Down) are living Mill Hill and they are brother and sister...?
Where did you find your John and Alice...?