Genealogy Chat

Hello again, I seem to be asking for help all the time of late, this time I have been trying to find a Army marriage. I have the date that is was supposed to have taken place, and the place but I cannot find it. does anyone have suggestions as to why this may be? . I got the details from my Grandfathers discharge papers, it gives date of marriage, the place and spouses name. George Deakes, 3rd July 1894, Malta, Helen Hales widow. It also list the baptisms of all his children, and his shows wifes death, all correctly. :-S

Was the marriage perhaps in a Maltese church and so not logged under the British system ?

Gwyn

his actual attestation record is on FMP giving the same details

First name(s): George

Last name: DEAKES

Calculated year of birth: 1873

Parish of birth: Fenton

Town of birth: Stoke

County of birth: Staffordshire

Age at attestation: 18 years 6 months

Attestation date: 29 April 1891

Attestation corps: North Staffordshire Regiment (The Prince of Wales's)

Attestation soldier number: 3355

Discharge rank:

Discharge corps:

Discharge soldier number:

The National Archives reference: WO97 / 4668 / 105


His marriage wasn't put onto the marriage roll till 1899 which suggests he married in a local church and not an Army marriage

Name: DEAKES, George
Registration District: Stoke on Trent
County: Staffordshire
Year of Registration: 1939
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at death: 66
Volume No: 6B
Page No: 245

yes I have his attestation papers, and your right its the same, dont understand where entry could be. It even gives names of officiating minister and two wittnesses, unfortunatly it doesnt state if this was in a church. I must admit I just assumed it was military because it is on his papers.

Sorry Shirley wrong George, I have already discounted him. my george died 1945 Singapore.

childrens births
Name: DEAKES, Lavinia Ellen
Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1966
Station: Sabathu
Country: Indian Subcontinent
Year: 1899
Page: 168
Record source: GRO Army Birth Indices (1881 to 1965)

Name: DEAKES, Ethel
Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1966
Station: Jhansi
Country: Indian Subcontinent
Year: 1900
Page: 234
Record source: GRO Army Birth Indices (1881 to 1965

wrong death then , the age did tie up with birth year and where he was born .

Ethel was crossed through on the papers this is why


Name: DEAKES, Ethel
Station: Jhansi
Country: Indian Subcontinent
Year: 1900
Page: 214
Age at death: 0
Record source: GRO Army Death Indices (1881 to 1955)


no Army births for the elder boys though

Helen/Ellen ??

Name: DEAKES, Ellen
Station: Jhansi
Country: Indian Subcontinent
Year: 1900
Page: 213
Age at death: 33
Record source: GRO Army Death Indices (1881 to 1955)

Hi Shirley yes you are quite right, all my life i thought he was George Deakes thats the name he was brought up with, stepfathers name, but in fact he was born George Hughes, and I have looked under Hughes as well. I didnt think that a marriage would be on his papers like that if it wasnt a army marriage. the trouble is his wife was a widow, and I dont know if she was british or simply married someone who was. Hales doesnt sound maltese to me.

No marriage record though !

maybe one of the birth certs will give more info

The boys births are both on his papers along with dates of baptisms his wife and daughter ethel are crossed through and over the wifes name is written deceased. its all very accurate which is why Im suprised not to be able to find the marriage.

Whats really frustrating is that the births only say that each child is recorded as a child of the marriage of 3355 george deakes, bachelor and helen hales widow. not even mothers maiden name.

Thanks to everyone for your help, I think the marriage must have been in a Maltese Church. thats going to be hard to find out. If anyone has any ideas about how that can be done i would be grateful.

there is a Maltese family history forum.

also google throws up some info.

Rootsweb have a Maltese section.

I've got my grandad's WW1 service record.
My gran's name appears twice, firstly as n.o.k (I presume - the caption is burned off), and secondly, on a page giving details of his family, which lists his kids along with their d.o.b. This was updated when my aunt was born.
It also gives the date of his marr, but only my gran's marr name.
I have seen other WW1 service records that give the maiden surname and church, but that's not on mine.
Who knows why the army does anything, but I'd assumed his family structure would affect any pension paid to his widow in the event of his death.

thanks for that Kay???? i will try them, I suppose your right mgnv, it looks as if I will have to try to get what I want another way, never mind, once again thanks to everyone for your help.

(noticed 2 Burials on below link)

http://indiafamily.bl.uk/UI/Advancediscovery.aspx

DEAKES Ellen
Burial 18 Jun1900

DEAKES Ethel
Burial 27 Aug1900

Chris :)