Genealogy Chat

Hi moonbi,

Wow - that is a nasty one - I am currently reading books about the tudors and they do love their hanging, bowelling and quartering!!! Yuk!

We are talking about Queen Elizabeth 1 - so what religion was he? I suppose that the obvious religion would be Catholic - but any religion other than Protestant Church of England would be seen as heresy in those times??

Yes lainie39

John Lyon, yeoman of Okeham, Rutland, was indeed a catholic.
However, down the line only 2 generations his grandson was a Cof E Rector at Barnwell St Andrews Nths.

Can you tell me why it was that Elizabeth 1 was so dogmatic about the papacy.? Maybe I could read one of your titles?

Basically catholics believed that Elizabeth should not be Queen. Militant catholics actively tried to depose her. Their plots were discovered resulting in increasingly anti-catholic measures.

oh - these are only fiction books that I am reading moobi - nothing academic!!! However, the author does make sure that the fiction is built around the known facts - which I love! - best of both worlds! lol

The power of being both monarch and head of the church of England - was, I think, the driving force - and in order to stay as head of the church they had to refuse to accept the catholic faith.

[this subject can still be quite controversal - so I do hope that I havent offended anyone with my comments - because no offence was intended!]

I was fascinated to find that my grandfather was descended from a long line of Huguenot families from the Lille area. They were engineers who drained the Fens in Cambridgeshire. I would like to set down the story of their lives here - members of the family spread world wide. Most famous was Franklin Delano Roosevelt, American President. However, I'm inundated with papers and still haven't got round to it. Have visited Thorney in Cambs. where early De Lanoys lived. Rather bleak ... nice little museum though.

MJH

Hi Myrna,

Wow - another connection to an American President - we certainly are being honoured on this thread!!

I cannot see any connection to the family of Franklin Roosesvelt [forgive me] - who drained the Fens in Cambridgeshire - on google - but I would be interested with the information you can provide on this, so I can follow this up!! [if you could point me in the right direction and what you have found out about your family I would appreciate it- I just love history and what it tells us! }

The details of the family of an american Presidential family who helped with the Fens of Cambs will be worth looking into for all of us I am sure!!!

I am interested to hear that there is a museum - but sorry that it was a little bleak - but that is England for you! lol

Do you live in the USA???

According to Ancestry's One World Tree, I am related to three American Presidents - Teddy Rosevelt, Calvin Coolidge and Richard Nixon, as well as Lucille Ball, Helen Keller and Miles Standish. However on closer examination of the relationships someone managed to father a son who lived 200 years earlier so maybe I'm not related to those people. :-D

Guess you don't know Norfolk, Lainie! Try it on a cold, damp day ...
As for the De Lanoy family, they came from Lanoy, near Lille in what is now Belgium. Refugees from Catholic persecution, they were Calvinist Protestants and first came to England in about 1550. They were allowed to use the Crypt of Canterbury Cathedral for services in French and still do. Judith de Lanoy was the first child baptised there in about 1606. But several de Lanoy brothers settled in England, and Philip went to America and became sort of Mayor of New York (New Amsetrdam) in 1685. It is from him that Franklin Delano (variation spelling) Roosevelt is descended. I think there is quite a lot you can Google if you are interested in it.

According to Ancestrys One World Tree I am related to Calvin Coolidge's wife and Laura Ingalls Wilder who wrote Little House on the Prairie...I'm taking it with a pinch of salt :-D although I use to love the program always needed the tissues

KenSE - Wow - Lucille Ball!!! lol

jax - you look alot like Laura Ingalls in your picture!!

I used to love both of these TV programmes!! :-D

I have to say that Ancestrys One World Tree doesnt sound up to much going through your two's experience of it! ;-)

I think they abandoned developing One World Tree a few years ago. It is still accessible though.

nudge

nudge

George Kein Hayward Coussmaker

Is one of mine but he is just about so far removed he would be on another planet, but never-the-less we are cousins ie he is not a husband of a cousin....

I mention him because there is a painting of him by Sir Joshua Reynolds. I also mention him because it is my OH that has all the nobility in his tree and I am but a peasant.

http://www.metmuseum.org/Collections/search-the-collections/110001898

and I rather like the comments made:

Reynolds gave close attention to his portrait of George Kein Hayward Coussmaker, a lieutenant and captain in the first regiment of Foot Guards. No fewer than twenty-one appointments—and at least two more for the sitter's horse—are recorded between February 9 and April 16, 1782. The composition is complex and the whole vigorously painted.

Persie

It is a great pity that One World Tree has not been deleted entirely. I do object to my parents being the in-laws of a man b in 1723. My grandparents and gt grandparents are also in the tree.

I hate the trees on Ancestry. They are so utterly ridiculous.

Huia. (whose sister allegedly m the man b in 1723).

Hi Shirley,
My ancestor also was connected with the NW passage. Here is an extract from a small book about him. I keep finding lots of interesting things about him, the whole Burkitt family in fact.

Holidays for Alexander were usually spent at his grandmother's, though on occasions he helped out in packing some of the items manufactured in his father's business. He recalled how in 1819 he helped pack Burkitt's "Extract of Malt and Hops" for use by the Parry Polar Expedition. The Burkitt boys had as one of their tasks the marking of the boxes of extract with the name of the ship, Hecla. (Sir William Parry, 1790-1855, sought the North-west Passage in 1819; his ship the Hecla travelled via Lancaster Sound to Melville Island and came close to finding it, but was unsuccessful on this occasion as were all his other voyages.)

He was an amateur archaeologist and interested in antiquities, sketching and writing articles (I found him referenced on Wikepedia). He also illustrated a book about Thomas Gainsborough and later when he went to Australia he met and travelled with the priest Julian Tenison Woods. He illustrated his book Geological Observations in South Australia.

Going back 3 more generations to Edward Burkit,t I found John Bunyan preaching in his kitchen.

nudge

Any more fantastic things you have discovered in your family history?

My great-great aunt Amelia Edwards' husband Harold Dilke claimed that his father was a member of the aristocracy - either a duke or an earl, my grandparents only met him once and couldn't remember which it was. It turns out that Harold was the illegitimate son of Rosamond Dilke, who was involved in a scandalous Victorian divorce case in which she was accused of being the mistress of Joseph Heneage, the 7th Earl of Aylesford. Rosamond's husband killed himself in 1877 and Harold was born in Paris four years later. Harold and Amelia's wedding certificate gives his middle name as 'Henadge' so there may be some truth in his claim after all! Rosamond was the daughter of a baronet, Sir Alexander Dixie of Market Bosworth.

I have absolutely no idea how Amelia and Harold met or what happened to the adventurous Rosamond, who was briefly married to a Belgian gentleman and gave birth to another son. She was still alive in 1921 and may have settled in Bermuda with her son and daughter-in-law.

NOT am amazing story but just hit me as funny,,,

My father was a horse breeder trainer....won a few big races in Australia...(my sis and I rode/trained etc)
Then doing our tree we find our first 5grands to Aussie in 1820's were bring in horses and training and breeding etc...

We had no idea it had gone on for over 200years in our family line...

Kellie

In the (mining?) museum at Prestonpans, there is a document:

PRIDE'S PETITION to LORD PRESTONGRANGE - 1746

Signed by James Pride (my 8xgreat-grandfather) and two of his sons, Robert (my 7xgreat-grandfather) and James; signed also by William Innes & Robert Thomson.

The surname changed to Pryde.

Links:

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~stenhousscot_tl.htm
http://www.prestoungrange.org/prestonpans/html/press/vicinity/012.htme/coal/