Genealogy Chat

I think my Gran's dad was Joesph Thomas Ros (Roger) Tunstall was first married to Laura Agnes Cay then remarried Florence Victoria Kite after his first wife died shortly after childbirth. My gran went to live with her grand-parents (Laura Agens Cray) then had nothing else to do with her dad. At some stage she was adopted by Alice Jane Gough who left her estate to her when she died.

Joseph Thomas Ros TUnstall I think the following may be his brothers and sisters - Lilian Maud Tunstall, Harriet Tunstall, Nellie kathleen Tunstall.

My grandmother married John (known asJack) Winch (maiden name of his mother - and thought to have something to do with the breweries in Kent) Lomas hence the search for the Lomas line and also for the living tunstalls in my other thread.

UK, Railway Employment Records, 1833-1963
about Joseph Thos Roger Tunstall Name: Joseph Thos Roger Tunstall
Birth Date: 15 Mar 1870
Age: 18
Residence Date: 12 Feb 1889
Station: Swindon
Company: Great Western
Class Number: 264
Piece: 252
Description: Station register of weekly paid staff, shop clerks, time and store keepers etc. 1901-1913


UK, Railway Employment Records, 1833-1963
about James Thomas Roger Tunstall Name: James Thomas Roger Tunstall
Birth Date: 15 Mar 1870
Age: 33
Residence Date: 6 Apr 1903
Station: Swindon
Company: Great Western
Class Number: 264
Piece: 8
Description: Register of Clerks. Vol 7 [1835-1910]

States his DOB is 15th March 1870.

This is Grans father in 1901.... for some reason he uses his middle name and his birth place is incorrect, however he is a Clerk by occupation for GWR and sadly a widow;

1901 England Census
about Thomas Tunstall Name: Thomas Tunstall
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Swindon, Wiltshire, England

Civil parish: Swindon
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: Wiltshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Swindon
Sub-registration district: Swindon
ED, institution, or vessel: 43
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 234
Piece: 1909
Folio: 76
Page Number: 45
Household Members: Name Age
John Wm Jarman 40
Alice Jarman 38
William Artur Jarman 15
Elice Jarman 9
Edwin Jas Jarman 1
Thomas Tunstall 30

This is your Grandmothers father in 1911;

HOUSEHOLD TUNSTALL JOSEPH THOMAS ROGER M 1870 41 Swindon Wiltshire

These also show up doing a free search;


HOUSEHOLD TUNSTALL CHARLES M 1910 1 Swindon Wiltshire
HOUSEHOLD TUNSTALL FLORENCE VICTORIA F 1883 28 Swindon Wiltshire
HOUSEHOLD TUNSTALL JOHN M 1908 3 Swindon Wiltshire
HOUSEHOLD TUNSTALL RICHARD M 1906 5 Swindon Wiltshire
HOUSEHOLD TUNSTALL THOMAS M 1905 6 Swindon Wiltshire


Marriage after Laura Agnes died;

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Jun 1904 (>99%)
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Kite Florence Victoria Bristol 6a 27
Tunstall Joseph Thomas R Bristol 6a 27


And another son born;

Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page

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Births Sep 1913 (>99%)
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Tunstall Frederick Kite Swindon 5a 17

Think I've got your Gran right??? If so she did have 1/2 siblings.

Dee x

Wow - thank you so much for explaining this - I tried to draw a tree last night but it was getting a bit late and I wasn't sure if i understood it fully. Now from having my dad (Peter john Lomas - now deceased) with no living relatives that he knew of and as an only child and my grandmother (Josephine Laura Tunstall) as an only child as far as my dad knew - my family seems to have grown considerably.

Many thanks. I feel that i want to go over to Ireland and have a look at the area where they used to live.
xx

This is Samuel Bernard Smiths daughter;

1881 England Census
about Francis Emily Smith Name: Francis Emily Smith
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relation: Granddaughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Chelsea, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Harmmersmith
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 32 Rowan Road
Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Fulham
Sub-registration district: St Paul Hammersmith
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 55
Folio: 81
Page Number: 40
Household Members: Name Age
Alexander Stewart 71 >> Born Dublin. Occupation; Retired Revenue Officer
Harriette Stewart 48, Alexanders wife >> Born Kilrush
Francis Emily Smith 10
John P. Nichol 53


Now this is the address of Charles Lennox Stewart when he died and Harriett was Lomas... totally confused now!!!

Going to try and break down for you Maria what we've found.

Lewis ( this spelling we'll use for ease) married Ann Dunford and named his father as Samuel Lomas.

1851..... Lewis is named as a Cousin to William and Mary POWIS. Williams mother is Harriett born 1783 Suffolk census sates Reyland, however in 1871 Lewis's mother Frances states she was born NAYLAND Suffolk in 1786.... I think Reyland should be Nayland and therefore Francis Lomas and Harriett Powis were sisters... as yet there maiden name is unknown.



We know that Charles Stewart married Harriett Lomas in Kilrush, her birth year is similar to Lewis Lomas.... so most likely she is Lewis's sister.
We find Lewis's "sister" Harriett Stewart with her unmarried brother and sister... Mary A Lomas and Samuel John Lomas in the 1901 census..... so these are possibly more siblings for Lewis Lomas.

Samuel Bernard Smith is a nephew to Harriett Stewart (nee Lomas)... now he could be a son from either Harrietts sister or Charles Stewarts sister... yet to confirm this.

Samuel Lomas died in Kilrush in 1858 at the age of 68 so giving him a birth year of C.1790.

Be interested to know what you already have.....may help sort the roots from the branches....

Thanks but I need some time overnight to digest all of this and see if it fits in with info that I already have.

Maia...Which Harriet are you asking about ...and which Samuel..?

If you mean Harriet Stewart..and Samuel Lomas snr....then she was his daughter...
If you mean Samuel J.then that is her brother...
All info and connections are there...probably take some time to get your head around it..

That sounds really exciting ..... do you know what relation Harriet may have been to Samuel Lomas?

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Samuel Bernard Smith Name: Samuel Bernard Smith
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Spouse Name: Eliz Elizabeth Thom >> First name looks like Emily.
Spouse Age: 18
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 01 Aug 1869
Parish: St Mary the Boltons, West Brompton
County: Middlesex
Borough: Kensington and Chelsea
Father Name: Samuel Smith
Spouse Father Name: William Thom

Both Samuels were Grooms by occupation.

The surname Thom is actually THORN.


1871 England Census
about Samuel B Smith Name: Samuel B Smith
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Emily Smith
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland
Civil parish: Chelsea St Luke
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Chelsea
Sub-registration district: Chelsea, North-West
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Household schedule number: 55
Piece: 80
Folio: 27
Page Number: 8
Household Members: Name Age
Samuel B Smith 24 >>> Grocer
Emily Smith 20
Emily F Smith 8 Months
Clara Scruby 13

Thank You for the above Kucinta...Maria will have plenty to keep her going when she returns...

Census 1911 :

STEWART, Harriet Head Widow F 78 1833 Private Means Ireland Co Clare
LOMES, John Brother Single M 74 1837 Private Means Ireland Co Clare
SMITH, Samuel Nephew Married M 65 1846 No Occupation Ireland Co Clare

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
3604 Reference:
RG14PN3604 RG78PN135 RD41 SD1 ED24 SN244

Registration District:
Richmond Sub District:
Richmond Enumeration District:
24 Parish:
Kew

Address:
5 Haver Field Gardens Kew County:
Surrey

Maria....Re; Cappa. Lodge where Samuel died...This was the home of a Randall Burrows/Boroughs who was the a High Court Magistrate for the area...dont know what the connection was between them ...yet...!!

I would suggest that the info.re John aged 74 that he is the son of Samuel Lomas ...Kilrush...

Samuel and Francis had a son named John ..(probably after named after his father).

Now who the is Samuel M Smith...?

Well there is a Samuel Marshall Smith b 1876 son of Samuel "Triwliy" Smith and Anne Jane Marshall of Ennis ...unless the Census dob/age is incorrect he is the only one to fit the "name".
I dont think the name of Samuel "Triwliy" is transcribed correctly either

Harriet died in 1922 and leaves her monies to Samuel Bernard Smith esq.

Don't have full subs to the 1911 census, but this is Samuel J Lomas from the 1901 census;

HOUSEHOLD LOMES JOHN M 1837 74 Richmond Surrey

Confirms birthplace as Clare... wonder if he states Kilrush??

These 2 are also with him, his sister harriet;

HOUSEHOLD SMITH SAMUEL M 1846 65 Richmond Surrey
HOUSEHOLD STEWART HARRIET F 1833 78 Richmond Surrey

Both born Clare.

He dies in Richmond in 1920 and leaves just under £900.00 to the Public Trustee.

From Erin1916 findings;

1891 England Census
about Mary A Lomas Name: Mary A Lomas
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Sister
Gender: Female
Where born: Ireland

Civil parish: Hammersmith
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Fulham
Sub-registration district: St Paul Hammersmith
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 36
Folio: 203
Page Number: 36
Household Members: Name Age
Harriet Stewart 60 >> Widow
Mary A Lomas 50 >>> Single


This is Charles Lennox Stewarts wife.... checked the probate record for his death and the addressis the same, Rowan Road.

The birth years change a little but it's the same people plus a unmarried brother;

1901 England Census
about Samuel J Lomas Name: Samuel J Lomas
Age: 69
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832
Relation: Brother
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland

Civil parish: Kew
Ecclesiastical parish: St Anne
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Richmond
Sub-registration district: Richmond
ED, institution, or vessel: 36
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 44
Piece: 677
Folio: 144
Page Number: 7
Household Members: Name Age
Harriet Stewart 73
Mary A Lomas 71
Samuel J Lomas 69


Brothers name is interesting.... wonder if he was named after his father??

Maria...Just for Clarification...

CHARLES LENNOX STEWART


Parents:
Father: REV ABRAHAM AUGUSTUS STEWART
Mother: FRANCIS O'CONNOR



Spouse: HARRIET ELIZABETH LOMAS
Marriage: 13 MAR 1846 Kilrush, Clare, Ireland

Thank you. That is very helpful :)