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This is presumably the family in 1851 and 1841
1851 England Census
John Groam [John Groom]
Age: 39 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1812
Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Sarah Groam
Gender: M (Male) Where born: Ingateston, Essex, England
Civil parish: Shenfield Town: Brentwood County/Island: Essex Country: England
Registration district: Billericay Sub-registration district: Brentwood
ED, institution, or vessel: 8a Household schedule number: 10 Piece: 1774 Folio: 206 Page Number: 3

John Groam 39
Sarah Groam 39
Joseph Groam 11
Elvia Groam 9
Lucy Groam 7
Mary Groam 4
Thomas Groam 2
Maria Groam 5 MO

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1774; Folio: 206; Page: 3; GSU roll: 207421.


1841 England Census
John Groom
Age: 25 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816
Gender: Male Where born: Essex, England
civil parish: Shenfield Hundred: Becontree
County/Island: Essex Country: England
Registration district: Billericay Sub-registration district: Brentwood
Piece: 322 Book: 28 Folio: 5 Page Number: 5

John Groom 25
Sarah Groom 25
William Groom 8
Sarah Groom 5
George Groom 3
Joseph Groom 1

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 322; Book: 28; Civil Parish: Shenfield; County: Essex; Enumeration District: 4; Folio: 5; Page: 5; Line: 9; GSU roll: 241360.


The William born in 1833 may have died, and so the name re-used, or the younger William may be a grandson, but they have claimed him as their own son.

thanks from another family tree have just looked at there were 12 children william eldest 1833 then william youngest 1857 dosnt seem right does it

They might be Hannah's parents, but the marriage certificate is needed for confirmation of father's name.
1861 England Census
John Groom
Age: 49 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1812
Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Sarih Groom
Gender: Male Where born: Mountnessing, Essex, England
Civil parish: Shenfield County/Island: Essex Country: England
Registration district: Billericay
Sub-registration district: Brentwood
ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Household schedule number: 60 Piece: 1075 Folio: 109 Page Number: 12

John Groom 49
Sarih Groom 48
Thomas Groom 12
Henery Groom 8
xxx Henna Groom 5 Shenfield, Essex,
William Groom 3

Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 1075; Folio: 109; Page: 12; GSU roll: 542748.

thanks have just found john groom 1812 and sarah clift 1813 think they might be hannahs parents

The marriage certificate will give you the Fathers' names:
Marriages Dec 1877
Daney Mary Billericay 4a 285
Dany Mary Billericay 4a 285
DAVEY Mary Billericay 4a 285
Griggs Thomas Billericay 4a 285
xxx Groom Hannah Billericay 4a 285
xxx Kemp Charles Edward Billericay 4a 285

i need help in finding the parents of my great grandmother hannah groom born 1855 shenfield married charles edward kemp 1877 thanks

charles kemp was my great grandfather and have only just found out he was married before and had a child thanks

Carol,
There is a difference between what you have been told, and what is an accurate fact. Always work backwards from what you know as an absolute certainty, otherwise you will waste a lot of time on red herrings.
One gets confused because 2 people tell you 2 things, and often both cannot be right.
That was why I asked who was your ancestor, as it gives us some known fact to work from.

thanks a lot you have really helped just want to find out when mary ann died and what happened to george william after charles married hannah thanks

Wonder if he was actually George William Kemp?

1861 England Census
about George W Kemp Name: George W Kemp
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Son
Father's name: Charles Kemp
Mother's name: Mary Ann Kemp
Gender: Male
Where born: Bures, Suffolk, England

Civil parish: Stoke By Nayland
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England

Registration district: Sudbury
Sub-registration district: Bures
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 91
Piece: 1128
Folio: 122
Page Number: 16
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Kemp 23
Mary Ann Kemp 25
George W Kemp 1

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Marriages Mar 1859 (>99%)
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Backhouse Mary Ann Blything 4a 926
Kemp Charles Blything 4a 926

do you mean charles was a widower and william was his son i think was married to mary ann backhouse in 1859 so was william her son and when did she die these are the answers i am looking for thanks for help

Here he is widow


1871 England Census about Robert Kemp
Name: Robert Kemp
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relation: Son
Father's name: George Kemp
Gender: Male
Where born: Bures, Suffolk, England
Civil parish: Bures St Mary
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England
Registration district: Sudbury
Sub-registration district: Bures
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Household schedule number: 218
Piece: 1715
Folio: 79
Page Number: 38
Household Members:
Name Age
George Kemp 65
>Charles Kemp 33
Eliza Kemp 31
>Robert Kemp 20
William Kemp 11
Joseph Cole 32
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\You would need his marriage cert to Hannah to see if he was a widow er?

I was told Charles was also married to either Mary Ann Backhouse or Mary Ann Springett, by one of these I am told he had a child, George Kemp born 1860 .

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Marriages Dec 1877 (>99%)
Groom Hannah Billericay 4a 285
Kemp Charles Edward Billericay 4a 285

Is Charles a direct ancestor of yours, and, if so, what child did he have?
Thanksb

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Dec 1877 (>99%)
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Groom Hannah Billericay 4a 285
Kemp Charles Edward Billericay 4a 285


Andy

1881 England Census about Charles Kemp
Name: Charles Kemp
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Anna Kemp
Gender: Male
Where born: Bures, Suffolk, England
Civil parish: Brentwood
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Street Address: Weald Lane
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Carman
Registration district: Billericay
Sub-registration district: Brentwood
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1756
Folio: 58
Page Number: 30
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Kemp 40
Anna Kemp 25
William S. Groom 6
Lydia L. Kemp 3
Catherine Kemp 1
Robert Kemp 30
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tree on ancestry give her as mother to his children


Hannah Groom
Birth 1855 in Shenfield, England.