Genealogy Chat

you're very welcome

Many thanks Tempest. Another top tip and much appreciated.

Mike

Sunderland registrars phone 0191 520 5509

and their website,

http://www.sunderland.gov.uk/index.aspx?articleid=1399

you can give more details eg death date and ask them to search, it costs £9 for a cert

Hello again dear helpers!
I was double checking the Nov 1861 deaths column in the Newcastle Courant and realised that Elizabeth did not die in Union Terrace, that was a previous entry all a bit crammed in. However at the bottom of the deaths list I spotted another entry reading
"At Fulwell on the 18th inst aged 76, Elizabeth widow of Mr John Stephenson farmer of Coxlodge"
She of course died at her son in laws farm but her death notice was put in the Newcastle bit as well as for Fulwell.
Her registration will be in Sunderland but I have a choice of two! Anyone have a crystal ball? It will have to be a toss of a coin then!
Thanks to you all.

Mike S

I don't know if the local register office will deal with telephone calls, but when I was searching for a missing death in Wales, I phoned Bridgend office, as I thought it should be in their area, gave which information I knew to be fact and the staff couldn't have been more helpful
....even though I was looking for a DAVIES !!

Gwyn

Thomas Henderson rang a bell.From the Newcastle Courant "....at Whitburn Church on the 20th inst Mr T Henderson,farmer Holder House ,to Margaret eldest daughter of John Stephenson farmer, Coxlodge"!!!!!
Many thanks Tempest for finding GGG grandmother Elizabeth in 1861 living with her daughter. Registration of her death in Sunderland is certainly looking a possibility.
Just going to do a street/house census check for Union Terrace in 1861 to see if any familiar names pop up.

As Hubby was younger I wonder if Margaret Henderson knocked a few years off her age on this 1861 census and was actually Elizabeth Stephenson's daughter

unless you have Margaret already married off, there is this possibility

BMD Search result details Civil Registration event: Marriage

Name: HENDERSON, Thomas
Registration District: South Shields
County: Durham
Year of Registration: 1851
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Volume No: 24
Page No: 199

MarriageFinder™: Thomas Henderson married one of the following people

HALL, Margaret
LAMB, Susanna
STEPHENSON, Margaret
BROWN, Sophia Arminie
ROBSON, Robert
WRIGHT, Nicholas
FENTON, John



Fulwell is Monk-Wearmouth/ Sunderland so the death could have been registered over in Mackem-land

looking for possibles on 1861 census

I wonder if Margaret Henderson is related to Elizabeth??

Address: Robsons Farm, Fulwell Lane, Fulwell

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Disability Where Born

HENDERSON, Thomas Head Married M 36 1825 Farmer Of 50 Acres Harton Durham
HENDERSON, Margaret Wife Married F 35 1826 Coxlodge Durham
HENDERSON, William Son M 8 1853 Water Works Durham
HENDERSON, Thomas Son M 7 1854 Simonsides Durham
HENDERSON, Margaret E Daughter F 6 1855 Simonsides Durham
HENDERSON, George Son M 4 1857 Simonsides Durham
HENDERSON, Henry Son M 2 1859 Fulwell Durham
STEPHENSON, Elizabeth Lodger Widow F 74 1787 Formerly Farmers Wife Monkwearmouth Durham
MOWLES, Elizabeth Servant Unmarried F 17 1844 House Servant Easington Durham



and here's a wildcard, the place of birth is wrong on this one, but the area is close to Union Terrace

Address: 34, Westgate Hill, Westgate, Newcastle Upon Tyne

STEPHENSON, Elizabeth Boarder Widow F 72 1789 Fundholder Hull Yorkshire

Hello again Tempest

I did spot the entries for Castle Ward and that was one of the reasons for my query as it was several months after her death. Could be expensive trying all these options!

Mike

Sorry not to get straight back folks,starting to cook dinner! John's death was registered in Castle Ward in 1853. At the time he was a farmer and innkeeper in Coxlodg.e Elizabeth ran the pub The Turf Hotel for a few more years at least until 1885 then it was was sold. Lost track of her then and cannot find her in the 1861 census but that was the family in 1851.

1851 then?

Name: Elizabeth Stephenson
Age: 67
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1784
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John Stephenson
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Bishop Wearmouth, Durham, England

Civil parish: Coxlodge
Ecclesiastical parish: Gosforth
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Registration district: Castle Ward
Sub-registration district: Ponteland
ED, institution, or vessel: 22b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 6
Piece: 2413
Folio: 162
Page Number: 2
Household Members: Name Age
John Stephenson 56
Elizabeth Stephenson 67
Margt Stephenson 30
Elizth Stephenson 20
John Jos Stephenson 5
Ann W Grennett 19
James Weston 23
John Hamilton 29

Union Terrace Newcastle was in Shieldfield close to Newcastle City centre and Byker

Where was John's death registered?

Hello Flick
Just checked back and she was born Elizabeth Stafford in Bishopwearmouth SUNDERLAND in 1788. She was married to John Stephenson who died in 1855. Must check for children possibly living in Sunderland.
Thanks for all the gentle nudges team,lots of heads definitely better than one!

only 2 death in Castle Ward, both of which registration seems a little late


Name: STEPHENSON, Elizabeth
Registration District: Help Castle Ward
County: Northumberland
Year of Registration: 1862
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Volume No: 10B
Page No: 120


or

Name: STEPHENSON, Elizabeth
Registration District: Help Castle Ward
County: Northumberland
Year of Registration: 1862
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Volume No: 10B
Page No: 152

Coxlodge came under Castle Ward district...............

When was she born?

Hello Tempest and Patricia

Thanks for the suggestions, she died in Union Terrace in Newcastle according to the Newcastle Courant deaths column. She lived all her married life in Coxlodge which was just outside Newcastle then. I have been trying to track down her children to see where they may have lived and as you say registered the death elsewhere, Am I right that there is no longer a checking points facility when ordering certificates. Elizabeth Stephenson was quite a common name in Geordie land!
I shall plough on looking for clues regarding her family's home areas before speculating,or guessing, on more certs!
Many thanks one and all

Mike

Deaths Dec 1861 (>99%)
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Stephenson Elizabeth Sunderland 10a 242
Stephenson Elizabeth Sunderland 10a 241

Using Tempests suggestion these are possibles for your Elizabeth

where in Newcastle did she die?

could the death have been registered in Sunderland or South Shields?they are Durham rather than Northumberland

Thanks safc

I forgot to mention that I sent off for that cert PDQ as it was the only option for that quarter. Unfortunately it was for a little girl Elizabeth Stephenson died at four months on October 31st. It is many a year since I bought a wrong cert, but many thanks for looking!