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1891 census

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Person: ALLEN, Edward
Address: 4, Cotton Street, Macclesfield
ALLEN, Edward Head Married M 59 1832 Dyer Silk
Macclesfield, Cheshire VIEW
ALLEN, Elizabeth Wife Married F 59 1832
Macclesfield, Cheshire VIEW
ALLEN, Edward Son Married M 31 1860 Dyer Silk
Macclesfield, Cheshire VIEW
FOWLER, Elizabeth Granddaughter Single F 16 1875 Fancy Trimmer
Macclesfield, Cheshire VIEW
ALLEN, Annie Granddaughter Single F 11 1880 Hard Silk Piecer
Macclesfield, Cheshire VIEW
ALLEN, Richard Grandson Single M 4 1887
Macclesfield, Cheshire VIEW
ALLEN, Emma Granddaughter Single F 2 1889
Macclesfield, Cheshire VIEW

So who Is Ethels mother if Elizabeth left 10 years earlier?

her mother was Elizabeth allen, not the one above that is her grandmother.
on Ethels marriage cert she is 19 which makes her bithday 1900 july 15th
Annie Allen 11
Richard Allen 4
Emma Allen 2
are her brothers and sisters

The Edward above 31 is named as my grandmothers father but the mother isnt on the census she had left at this stage.
Harry
lizzie
ethel

were all born after the mother left, she left harry with a cousin but no trace of
ethel or lizzie

her mother was Elizabeth allen, not the one above that is her grandmother.
on Ethels marriage cert she is 19 which makes her bithday 1900 july 15th
Annie Allen 11
Richard Allen 4
Emma Allen 2
are her brothers and sisters
The Edward above 31 is named as my grandmothers father but the mother isnt on the census she had left at this stage.

Im looking mainly for anything on Ethel Allen born 1900-1902 father Edward Allen mother Elizabeth Allen

oh thankyou so much, if there is anything that you could find on the family id be really greatfull

just stumble on your post I happen to live near Macclesfield and i know the library holds most of the church records. Going in to Macc tomorrow so if you want any records looked up just ask. Send me a message with any details.

And I think that Elizabeth left Edward at sometime between 1889-1891 although the children name his as their father

She was deffinatley born july 15th although date of birth could have benn 1900 - 1902 I have been to macclesfield registary office where all the others are registered, but Ethel Allen was not registared there.

What information do you have on the brother Harry? At the moment all the censuses have is Annie, Richard and Emma. Also you say she had a sister Lizzie born in 1893 - where does this information come from?

What is the name of the Swift witness on her marriage cert?

Is it possible that Edward was actually widowed by 1891 and the note of him being married but Elizabeth being nowhere in sight might mean that she had died or perhaps left him?

Name: ALLEN
Initials: R
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: West Yorkshire Regiment (Prince of Wales's Own)
Unit Text: 17th Bn.
Age: 27
Date of Death: 10/06/1916
Service No: 17/13
Additional information: Son of Edward and Elizabeth Allen, of Macclesfield; husband of Sarah Jane Knight (formerly Allen), of 79, Queen's St., Grimethorpe, Barnsley.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: III. G. 25.
Cemetery: LE TOURET MILITARY CEMETERY, RICHEBOURG-L'AVOUE

Looks like the Edward born 1859 was a widower by 1901 -

1901

MILLINGTON, Wm Head Married M 49 1852 Labourer Colliery
Silverdale
Staffordshire
MILLINGTON, Mary Wife Married F 41 1860
Silverdale
Staffordshire
MILLINGTON, Mary Peake Daughter Single F 10 1891
Silverdale
Staffordshire
MILLINGTON, Martha Elizth Daughter Single F 6 1895
Silverdale
Staffordshire
MILLINGTON, Minnie Louisa Daughter Single F 5 1896
Silverdale
Staffordshire
SILCOCK, Wm Ellis Boarder Single M 25 1876 Coal Miner Underground
Patricrift
Lancashire
>>>ALLEN, Edward Boarder Widow F 42 1859 Coal Miner Underground
Macclesfield
Cheshire

RG number:
RG13 Piece:
2587 Folio:
41 Page:
27

Registration District:
Wolstanton Sub District:
Wolstanton Enumeration District:
15 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Silverdale

Civil Parish:
Silverdale Municipal Borough:
Address:
4, Ford Street, Silverdale County:
Staffordshire

Annie was married by 1901 to Joseph Hurst and was living in Manchester with her brother Richard.

HURST, Joseph Head Married M 23 1878 Mineral Water Bottler
Macclesfield
Cheshire
HURST, Annie Wife Married F 21 1880
Macclesfield
Cheshire
HURST, Joseph Son M 3 1898
Macclesfield
Cheshire
HURST, Fredk Son M 1 1900
Macclesfield
Cheshire
HURST, Fredk Brother M 19 1882 Labourer In Mineral Water Works
Macclesfield
Cheshire
ALLEN, Richard Brother-In-Law M 14 1887 Labourer In Mineral Water Works
Macclesfield
Cheshire

RG number:
RG13 Piece:
3676 Folio:
124 Page:
43

Registration District:
Chorlton Sub District:
Ardwick Enumeration District:
20 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Ardwick St Benedicts

Civil Parish:
South Manchester Municipal Borough:
Address:
7, Galloway Street, South Manchester County:
Lancashire

How old does it say she was on the marriage certificate?


It is quite common to find the year or birth wrong on a death certificate ........ the information is only that "as known by the informant".


Sometimes the deceased has deliberately told everyone the wrong birth year ................ or even birth date. My own grandfather did that!


People usually remember that "grandma" was born on Jan 15, but may not remember the actual year.




If, as you say, she was born in 1902 .......... that means she was only 17 when she married, 19 if the year was 1900.



sylvia

the details from the marriage certificate-

Marriages Dec 1919 (>99%)
>>>>Allen Ethel Scally Newcastle L. 6b 196 Scan available - click to view
Gillard Henry Morley Newcastle L 6b 196 Scan available - click to view
Morley Mary J Gillard Newcastle L. 6b 196 Scan available - click to view
>>>SCALLY Philip Allen Newcastle under Lyme 6b 196

so not March as you said - how old was Ethel on her marriage cert

How do you know her mother's name please? If she is the Elizabeth Allen shown above then surely she would be a bit old to be having a child in 1902. Grandmother??

1891 ???

Name: Edward Allen
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Edward Allen
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Allen
Gender: Male
Where born: Macclesfield, Cheshire, England

Civil parish: Macclesfield
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Macclesfield
Sub-registration district: West Macclesfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward Allen 59
Elizabeth Allen 54
Edward Allen 31
Elizabeth Fowler 16
Annie Allen 11
Richard Allen 4
Emma Allen 2

Chris

1881 ?????

Edward Allan
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Allan
Gender: Male
Where born: Macclesfield, Cheshire, England

Civil parish: Macclesfield
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street Address: 3 Royles Terrace
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Cotton Dyer

Registration district: Macclesfield
Sub-registration district: East Macclesfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward Allan 23
Elizabeth Allan 23
Ann Allan 1

Elizabeth was born in Stone in Staffordshire

Catherine,

Can you post census details for the family? Will save us having to keep asking questions.

Rose

yes

For reference, is this her parents marriage?

Marriages Sep 1878 (>99%)
Allen Edward Macclesfield 8a 206
READ Elizabeth Macclesfield 8a 206

lizzie was born in 1893

married 3.31919
at the Holy trinity church, newcastle under lyme to Phillip Scally
one witness was called Swift