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I have done further Research on John William Jupp Born1863, son of John Jupp and Lucy nee Lovegrove.
I have found birth of John jnr in1863 also possible Marriage in1883.
My problem is, it looked like John married Hannah Lock who was married before I think, to Edward Lock fishmonger.
Then I found Edward with his two Daughters married to Annie and he was a dairyman.
I am unable to find birth of Hannah or marriage in index to John which has complicated things. HELP please for marian

For info

Name: John William Tupp
[John William Jupp]
Age: Full Age
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Spouse Name: Hannah Matilda Lock
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 25 Dec 1883
Parish: St Stephen, Tredegar Road
County: Middlesex
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: Charles George Tupp
Spouse Father Name: Thomas William Lock

Just to put in context:

Marriages Dec 1883 (>99%)
Holt Flora Eliza Poplar 1c 1207
Humphryes Alfred Poplar 1c 1207
JUPP John William Poplar 1c 1207
Lock Hannah Matilda Poplar 1c 1207
LOCK Hannah Matlida Poplar 1c 120

I assume you found evidence for him marrying Hannah elsewhere?

I see! Age a bit out, does birthplace fit?

JUPP, John William Head Married M 52 1859 Stand Warehouse Labourer Bromley by Bow VIEW
JUPP, Hannah Matilda Wife Married
27 years F 50 1861 Bromley by Bow VIEW
JUPP, Hannah Matilda Daughter Single F 26 1885 Printing Layer On Bromley by Bow VIEW
JUPP, John Charles Son Single M 24 1887 Printers Machine Minder Bromley by Bow VIEW
JUPP, Mary Ann Daughter Single F 22 1889 Litto Layer On Bromley by Bow VIEW
JUPP, Alice Elizabeth Daughter Single F 18 1893 Cap Brusher Bromley by Bow VIEW
JUPP, Florence Louise Daughter Single F 16 1895 Cheque Sorter Bromley by Bow VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
1711 Reference:
RG14PN1711 RG78PN59 RD22 SD2 ED34 SN219

Registration District:
Poplar Sub District:
Bromley Enumeration District:
34 Parish:
Poplar Borough

Address:
20 Holden Road Bow London E County:
London

Looking at the marriage as found by Glitterbaby, is this a different person to your John?

This is the above John I would say:

Births Dec 1858 (>99%)
Jupp John William Poplar 1c 568


And maybe this is yours??

Births Dec 1863 (>99%)
JUPP John William Islington 1b 230

1871 ?

Name: John W Jupp
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William Jupp
Mother's Name: Lois Jupp
Gender: Male
Where born: Islington, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: West Ham
Ecclesiastical parish: Plaistow St Mary
Town: Plaistow
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Registration district: West Ham
Sub-registration district: West Ham
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Household schedule number: 51
Household Members: Name Age
William Jupp 35
Lois Jupp 40
Wm John Jupp 12
Emma Jupp 10
Fanny Jupp 9
John W Jupp 7
Robert A Jupp 5

Is this your John in 1861 ?? Based on parents

Name: John Jupp
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John Jupp
Mother's Name: Lucy Jupp
Gender: Male
Where born: Isleworth, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Isleworth
Ecclesiastical parish: Isleworth St John
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

View image

Registration district: Brentford
Sub-registration district: Isleworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 40
Household Members:
Name Age
John Jupp 24
Lucy Jupp 24
John Jupp 5
Sarah Ann Jupp 3
Lucy Jupp 5 MO

1871 ?

Name: John Lupp
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Lucy Lupp
Gender: Male
Where born: Isleworth, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Isleworth
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
Town: Isleworth
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Registration district: Brentford
Sub-registration district: Isleworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Household schedule number: 160
Household Members: Name Age
Lucy Lupp 35
John Lupp 15
Sarah Lupp 13
Lucy Lupp 10
Hales Lupp 8
Ann Lupp 7
William Lupp 4
Ainley Lupp 1

Name correction was added on 9 March 2011 but is not yet showing when searching

1911

JUPP, John Head Married M 54 1857 Cement Labourer Isleworth in Middlesex VIEW
JUPP, Sarah Wife Married
28 years F 52 1859 Sheernes in Sheepy VIEW
JUPP, Alfred Son M 20 1891 Filter And Turner Elmyly in Shippy VIEW
JUPP, Fred Son M 18 1893 Cement Elmyly in Shippy VIEW
JUPP, May Daughter F 13 1898 Frindsbury in Rochester VIEW
JUPP, Ron Daughter F 11 1900 Frindsbury in Rochester VIEW
JUPP, Hilda Daughter F 8 1903 Frindsbury in Rochester VIEW
JUPP, Ernest Son M 5 1906 Frindsbury in Rochester VIEW
JUPP, Doris Daughter F 3 1908 Frindsbury in Rochester VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
3867 Reference:
RG14PN3867 RG78PN147 RD45 SD2 ED12 SN234

Registration District:
Strood Sub District:
Strood Enumeration District:
12 Parish:
Frindsbury Extra

Address:
22 Windmill St Frindsbury Rochester



So which John in 1911 is the right family

I am a little fed up as I have just typed sevn lines of message to All of you, and it has disappeared before I was able to send.

Quick update.Brth John Jnr got Cert born1863 marriage OND1883. FMP option Spouse Flora Holt or Hannah Lock. Found Hannah Marriage to Edward1891age 30 and 32yrs. 1901 Edward married to Annie with same daughters 10 yrs older.
1901 John. W Jupp Jnr age 42 bith year incorrect married to Hannah
Hence my confusion. Hope this will help Best wishes Marian

I do not know what is happening I have typed two reply messages and they have both disappeared. Thankyou for all who replied to me I hope you get thisbest wishes marian

birth
Hannah Matilda Lock 1861 Jan-Feb-Mar Greater London, London, Middlesex
1861
Hannah M Lock abt 1861 Bromley, Middlesex, England Daughter Bromley, Middlesex
1871
Hannah Lock abt 1861 Bromley, Middlesex, England Daughter Bromley St Leonard, London
1881
Hannah Lock abt 1861 Bromley, Middlesex, England Daughter Bromley Middle,

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Hannah Hill Benton
Name: Hannah Hill Benton
Spouse Name: Thomas Davidson Lock
Spouse Age: Full Age
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 23 May 1858
Parish: St Thomas, Stepney
County: Middlesex
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: Thomas Benton
Spouse Father Name: William Lock

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Thomas Davidson Lock
Name: Thomas Davidson Lock
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1832
Baptism Date: 13 May 1832
Father's Name: William Lock
Mother's Name: Catherine Lock
Parish or Poor Law Union: Limehouse St Anne
Borough: Tower Hamlets

Sat Nav.
I do not want to seem completely dim .It looks with your search that Hannah Matilda was Married to Thomas Lock then, is my search incorrect .
There are so many with the name Jupp as was found in previous messages .It is a matter of getting things fairly positive to get a certificate
Can you illuminate for me please, Who did John Jnr Marry.
Best wishes marian

Hannah Matilda Lock was a spinster when she married in 1883.
Her father is named as Thomas William Lock,an iron dresser.which proves that her maiden name was Lock.
Check the 1881 and you will see that the father is an iron dresser.

I cannot explain why his middle name changed.

There are two postings for 1911 census for John Jupp - could you please say which is the right family

Or are you actually trying to research the Lock family?

Glitter Babe
I replied to your post this morning and yet again it was stopped because Genes were doing maintenence. Allthat I had typed was not sent.Good thing that I had a copy of it.Here goesSorry I may sound ungrateful.I already have certificate fo John Jupp seniorBord abt 1834 MarriedLucy Lovegrove19thnov 1854He was a bricklayer then and they lived in Old Brentford.Their son John Williiamwas born7th Nov1855
Worton Lane Isleworth.He may have married1883 index.
My aimnow isto find name of spousealso any children if possible.The lock family just came up as an option for spouse in search.Thanks Marian

Marian
If you had started the thread with your last post.
" John Williiam was born7th Nov1855
Worton Lane Isleworth."
You would have received results within minutes.
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Marriages Jun 1883 (>99%)
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AKHURST Sarah Ann Sheppey 2a 1262
JUPP John Sheppey 2a 1262
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1891 England Census
about John Jupp
Name: John Jupp
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah Jupp
Gender: Male
Where born: Isleworth, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Elmley
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
Town: Elmley
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Sheppey
Sub-registration district: Eastchurch
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Jupp 32
Sarah Jupp 34
Alice Jupp 5
Amy Jupp 3
Lucy Jupp 2
John Jupp 7/12
Alfred Akehurst 19
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1901 England Census
about John W Jupp
Name: John W Jupp
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah A Jupp
Gender: Male
Where born: Isleworth, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Frindsbury
Ecclesiastical parish: Frindsbury All Saints
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Strood
Sub-registration district: Strood
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 144
Household Members: Name Age
John W Jupp 45
Sarah A Jupp 43
Alice M L Jupp 15
Amy E Jupp 14
Louisa E Jupp 12
Alfred J Jupp 10
Frederick T Jupp 8
May Jupp 3
Rosina Jupp 1