Genealogy Chat

I understood that Walter was listed in the 1911 census at 46 Somerscales Street, but crossed off to indicate that he was not actually living there at the time, though by implication he must have been, though not at the time the census collector called. Yes?

I just checked 46 Somerscales Street again and the only ppersons listed, are,
Margaret. Jane. Delacy 53.
Isabelle Delacy 28
Edith Delacy 25
Annie Delacy 22
The only other person listed there is the lodger. Percy.M.Thompson. Baker.

But I think we have already considered these at an earlier time.I am still not able to locate Walter, though he just has to be close by, unless he is still at sea. Regards Walter

Oops we already knew that address which is why Mary made the connection - will leave the census info there for ref.

Julie

Walter DeLacy's mother & siblings are at 3 Frederick'sTerrace in 1901. Are we getting warmer?!


Name: Margaret J Delacy
[Margaret J Robinson] 
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Head
Mother's Name: Martha Robinson
Gender: Female
Where born: Hull, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Sculcoates
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: Yorkshire

Margaret J Delacy 42
Laurina B Delacy 17
Edith Delacy 15
Annie M Delacy 12
Martha Robinson 80

Margaret is widowed, can't make out her occupation. Edith looks like a
bookbinder.

Julie

heres a william h mead marrying a cooper
might be worth looking at??

Marriages Sep 1922 (>99%)

COOPER Gertrude E Mead Camberwell 1d 1684
Mead William H Cooper Camberwell 1d 1684

I have found a Florence Mead born 1888 St pancras London.
She married in Sulcoates A/M/J 1910 to a Walter John Elton 9d 343,her record comes up as 9d 848 but it is wrong.
Walter John Elton born Blaby leicestershire 1883.

1911 census
Florence Elton born 1888 married under one year no children.
where husband should be on top line it just says seaman,but signed W J Elton
Address 11,Frederick's terrace St Pauls Street Hull.
On the same page is a Mrs Cooper.

There is Waterloo Street and Lorne st in same area.

When you google Finsbury St where Walter Delacy is in 1901 and Somerscales st in 1911,they are all clearly in they same area.

Now thats coincidence or what?

Maryb

Apologies for the error with Walters address. 109 St Georges Road was my mothers address in 1927 when she married my father. I find now that Walters mother crossed his name off the the 1911 census, presumably because he was not there. Listing him on the census as Ships Purser Merchant Navy.Cissie was living at 128 St Georges Road. Not 109 as I said in error. 128 turns out to be their address when they married. When did Cissie move into 128?

Just to get a fix on Walter Delacy;

Births Sep 1880 (>99%)
DE LACY Walter Sculcoates 9d 206

1891:

Name: Walter Delacy
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Robert W Delacy
Mother's Name: Margret Delacy
Gender: Male
Where born: Hull, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Sculcoates
Ecclesiastical parish: Sculcoates St Mary
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Sculcoates
Sub-registration district: West Sculcoates
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert W Delacy 32
Margret Delacy 33
Walter Delacy 10
Isabel Delacy 8
Laurina Delacy 7
Edith Delacy 5
Annie M Delacy 2

I feel sure that Cissie was never far away from Walter and may even have been living with him. Did young ladies do that in those days? Regards. Walter

They most certainly did Walter..They were normally under the heading Housekeeper on census and sometimes"Acting as wife"which I have seen written on one 1911 census..Also I have seen "Mistress"on one...But many were just said to be wife,even though there was no marriage for one reason or another..
My Great grandparents were not married to each other...They were married to other people...Great granny is down as Housekeeper on 1911 census to my Greatgrandad..Even though by then they had my Nan ...

Perhaps a plea on Records Board could ask for someone in the right area to check for a baptism.
I'm sorry that I'm so far away or I'd willingly search for you.


Gwyn

Walter,

Walter Delacy is not shown as being at that address in the 1911 census it is Isabelle (His sister?) who is shown as being the newsagent/tobacconist.

1911;
309 DE LACY, Margaret Jane Head Widow F 53 1858 Agent For Drapery Hull Yorkshire VIEW
309 DE LACY, Isabelle Daughter Single F 28 1883 Newsagent And Tobacconist Hull Yorkshire VIEW
309 DE LACY, Edith Daughter Single F 25 1886 Book Sewer Hull Yorkshire VIEW
309 DE LACY, Annie Daughter Single F 22 1889 Milliner Hull Yorkshire VIEW
309 THOMPSON, Percy Milan Lodger Single M 25 1886 Baker Hull Yorkshire VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
28720 Reference:
RG14PN28720 RG78PN1650 RD521 SD8 ED9 SN309

Registration District:
Sculcoates Sub District:
West Sculcoates Enumeration District:
9 Parish:
Sculcoates

Address:
46 Somerscales St Hull

Right then. in 1901 Walter, who's address was 3 Freds Terrace. Finsbury Street. Hull. was working on the Angelo as 2nd Cabin Steward. By 1906 or thereabouts, he had become Chief Steward and Ships Purser, but at that time the Angelo was taken out of service and scrapped.

For some reason, in 1911, Walter, now living at 46 Somerscales Street. Hull. Had become a Newsagent Tobacconist. How long he carried on in that business I have no idea. He was 30 at that time.
I now have a gap until 1926 when he married Cissie Spencer (Hephzibar) and they set up home in St Georges Road. I am not sure just now about the number, but it might have been 106. I shall know later because somewhere I have this address written down.
I feel sure that Cissie was never far away from Walter and may even have been living with him. Did young ladies do that in those days? Regards. Walter

I find it strange if Cissie was the mum,her mind must have been working overtime.
Coming up with false names and occupation,why couldn't he have been just an ordinary toolmaker instead of foreman toolmaker.


I think there is some truth in that lot somewhere,i.e name of parents etc.

Did Florence or William die?did Florence remarry and present husband disowned the child?.

All ifs I know but the answer is out there somewhere.

It would help if we could find William/Henry horace Mead in 1911,maybe Florence did remarry and he is under another name.

Maryb.

Walter,

Just a thought. Did either Cissie or Walter DeLacy leave a will?

Wills can sometimes reveal details of the deceased's real relationships to their beneficiaries. E.G. "My natural son Fred Bloggs"

That Mead family living in Blenheim St in 1911 is the one that Jonesey posted on page 1. They were living in Albany St in 1901. Both streets can be seen on google street view maps & they are fairly close. It is about 1.5 miles from them to Ruskin Street.

Julie

Oh, this is better than reading an Agatha Christie mystery! It's real! Keep it up folks, I want to see how it ends.

Thanks Mary. That figures as he must have been in Hull if as I believe he and Cissie met and formed a relationship. My father did say that he knew his real father was a seaman, but believed that he had been lost at sea, which in Walter DeLacy's case was not true. But it could have been a cover-up of sorts.

Secondly I now find that at 49 Blenheim Street (How far away from Ruskin Street is that?) there lived a Tailor called William Mead with a daughter called florence. Were they the unknowing inspiration for Cissies choice of parents for baby Horace? I don't believe that she was living at Ruskin Street, but somewhere close by. Just thoughts! Regards Walter

On 1901 census he was aboard Angelo as 2nd cabin steward.

Maryb.

Told you that 3 Ruskin Street was a mystery house. Seems to have been a place where many different people lodged and most of them were untraceable afterwards. Weird.

I wonder when Walter DeLacy came to Hull and secured his position as Purser on the Angelo? I believe that he was in Derbyshire at the same time as Cissie Spencer. Gets more interesting as it goes on. Walter

Just a thought,I wonder if electoral records could give any info as to who was living at 3,Ruskin St 1904/5
We know John Tarbitton born 1866 was there 1901 and Frederick William Thorpe born 1864 was there 1911.
Maybe Florence or Cissie lodging with either one of them.

The Electoral rolls will be in the Library local to Ruskin street.

The ship Angelo was taken out of service and sold to be scrapped Feb 1906.
It was an immigrant ship sailing between Hull and Christiana Norway?
bringing immigrants on their way to America.
lots of info on this ship on google.

Maryb

its John Tarbitton born Scarborough @ 1866 died 1910.His mum jane born @ 1826 and Richard 1816 I think he died 1863.

No will for him,I thought it would give his address had there been one.
He married a Phoebe Rachel born @ 1866 in Lincs and she died Cleethorpes 1942.
1911 63,Whillingham street in Clee lincs widow with son John
They had John B 1897 died 1952.

Just looking for clues with that family.

Maryb